United States 2022 Midterms: United States Senate Dicussion Thread

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@stevep @gral @f1onagher @The Immortal Watch Dog @The Whispering Monk @Mimas @strunkenwhite United States Senator Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ) doubling-down on NOT gutting the filibuster all but killing the WOKE Culture's demands of an election reform bill FOREVER BABY!

the democrats who are in favor of not killing the filibuster for this bill are thinking in the long term, they fully understand that they will lose the house next year through redistricting alone and that said bill has every possibility of being killed by the supreme court, so all that they will have done is create a fully enraged enemy who will have every reason to look for retrebution and have all the tools to get said pay back because the filibuster is now gone.

It doesn't take much long term thinking for dems to understand that they will need the filibuster in the near future.
 

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the democrats who are in favor of not killing the filibuster for this bill are thinking in the long term, they fully understand that they will lose the house next year through redistricting alone and that said bill has every possibility of being killed by the supreme court, so all that they will have done is create a fully enraged enemy who will have every reason to look for retrebution and have all the tools to get said pay back because the filibuster is now gone.

It doesn't take much long term thinking for dems to understand that they will need the filibuster in the near future.
In other words: several of the Blue Dog Dems KNOW the long-term prospects considering it's likely the GOP will win back control of the United States Senate in November.

If I was some of those pushing this election reform bill, I would WAIT several more election cycles & pray those old guards resisting the bill to die off around 2028 or 2030, 2032...
 

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In other words: several of the Blue Dog Dems KNOW the long-term prospects considering it's likely the GOP will win back control of the United States Senate in November.

If I was some of those pushing this election reform bill, I would WAIT several more election cycles & pray those old guards resisting the bill to die off around 2028 or 2030, 2032...
Or how about not push it at all, instead of just trying to wait for their opponents to die or leave office?
 

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the democrats who are in favor of not killing the filibuster for this bill are thinking in the long term, they fully understand that they will lose the house next year through redistricting alone and that said bill has every possibility of being killed by the supreme court, so all that they will have done is create a fully enraged enemy who will have every reason to look for retrebution and have all the tools to get said pay back because the filibuster is now gone.

It doesn't take much long term thinking for dems to understand that they will need the filibuster in the near future.
2022 redistricting won't be as good for the GOP as 2012 redistricting was simply because the GOP already squeezed as much of the juice out of the orange in 2012 and thus there simply isn't very much juice left for them to squeeze.
 

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2022 redistricting won't be as good for the GOP as 2012 redistricting was simply because the GOP already squeezed as much of the juice out of the orange in 2012 and thus there simply isn't very much juice left for them to squeeze.
The gop of 2022 isn't the gop of 2012 were going through a political relinment everything is being shook up for gods sake the Dems had dick Cheney on stage at their event. Thing's have changed and will continue to change.
 

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The gop of 2022 isn't the gop of 2012 were going through a political relinment everything is being shook up for gods sake the Dems had dick Cheney on stage at their event. Thing's have changed and will continue to change.
I see the trolls are bashing Sinema on Social Media non-stop since yesterday. They're so damn triggered!
 

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If they wanted the damn election reform bill so bad, maybe they should've won US Senate seats in ME, IA & NC back in 2020.
Cal Cunningham couldn't keep his pants zipped. So, blame him. And in Maine, Susan Collins still won in spite of her Brett Kavanaugh vote. Which I suppose says something about her political acumen.

The gop of 2022 isn't the gop of 2012 were going through a political relinment everything is being shook up for gods sake the Dems had dick Cheney on stage at their event. Thing's have changed and will continue to change.
I suspect that a good amount of "decent" George W. Bush administration officials would feel right at home in the Democratic Party nowadays, especially if they don't care too much about either abortion or cancel culture.
 

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Idiots who want absolute power now and don't understand how this shit can backfire hard.
But when you think about it, the US Senate is already non-egalitarian relative to population as it is. So, why bother having a filibuster on top of that? Sure, the Republicans could pass their agenda with a simple majority vote, but they already can to some extent, with budget reconciliation and SCOTUS nominees. But with greater power will become greater responsibility, so the GOP can simply get voted out in response to anything stupid that they will subsequently do, and ditto for the Democrats. In other countries with parliaments, AFAIK, a simple parliamentary majority is generally good enough to pass simple legislation, albeit often not to amend the national constitution.
 

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But when you think about it, the US Senate is already non-egalitarian relative to population as it is. So, why bother having a filibuster on top of that? Sure, the Republicans could pass their agenda with a simple majority vote, but they already can to some extent, with budget reconciliation and SCOTUS nominees. But with greater power will become greater responsibility, so the GOP can simply get voted out in response to anything stupid that they will subsequently do, and ditto for the Democrats. In other countries with parliaments, AFAIK, a simple parliamentary majority is generally good enough to pass simple legislation, albeit often not to amend the national constitution.
The house was created to be reaponsive to people's needs and the senate exists to limit any stupidity coming out of the house. The fillibuster is a part of that process.
 

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The house was created to be reaponsive to people's needs and the senate exists to limit any stupidity coming out of the house. The fillibuster is a part of that process.
The House also previously had a filibuster in the 1800s if I recall correctly. Should we bring it back for the sake of tradition?
 

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