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  1. ProphetOfTruth

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    That the victorious Union was not as punitive as it might have been to the defeated Confederacy owes to political pragmatism, not moral concession. They wanted to mend the nation and reconstruct as quickly and efficiently as possible; rounding up all the CSA leadership and hanging them for...
  2. ProphetOfTruth

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Hitler's also responsible for "battles" you seem willing to grant a level of moral leeway to by starting the wars those battles comprise. I'm not sure why fortitude in total service to an indisputably wicked cause is worthy of public celebration on the sovereign soil of a nation that wicked...
  3. ProphetOfTruth

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Not to invoke Godwin, but where would you like your hypothetical statue of Arnold to be placed? To the left or right of our very tasteful and equally hypothetical Hitler monument? @OliverCromwell made an eloquent case why it's morally repulsive to publicly commemorate the CSA.
  4. ProphetOfTruth

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Because the Confederate in question was most likely white and born in America and bin Laden was neither of those things.* *I'm halfmostly joking But your eloquent point is well taken. No one here would support a statue of publicly erected statue of bin Laden; I suspect many wouldn't even...
  5. ProphetOfTruth

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    No. But that isn't what I claimed and would assert that the proposal's popularity is irrelevant. An idea can be both morally right and unpopular and both US and global history is replete with that fact. Yes. No, I don't mean that the majority of Americans can pick Washington and Davis out...
  6. ProphetOfTruth

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Eh, I'd argue it's the same slope, you're just differentiating between types of skiers. Bad faith actors and fringe extremists abusing precedent is literally a risk of all policy proposals. It's a real risk, worthy of consideration, so I'm trying not to downplay it. But at the end of the...
  7. ProphetOfTruth

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    I appreciate your wariness of the slippery slope. Despite what many may tell you, it's a perfectly valid concern. That said, all political policies exist on a spectrum. Technically speaking, one could make the argument that introducing any policy proposal on any item of consideration "could...
  8. ProphetOfTruth

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    As someone who was raised in and spent most of his life below the Mason-Dixon line, I've never really understood nor shared the worshipful fascination many people seem to have with the Confederacy. At the end of the day, the CSA was a secessionist movement that threatened to destroy what we...
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