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  1. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    It isn't the "consequence" of anything, people have been doing this sort of shit since the beginning of culture. It's just that it was just as stupid when the theosophical societies decided to take some random bullshit mysticism a women dredged up way too seriously or when the Italian futurists...
  2. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    I have no idea who that is and I don't give a shit, but I can say with absolute certainty that your sort of gamer reactionaries whose entire politics seem to be based around outrage at random internet drama is even more pathetic than the sort of liberals who constantly make Harry Potter...
  3. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    OK, so, you do realize that your sort of vapid politics driven entirely by artificial clickbait outrage and random pop culture and fandom shit you're taking far too seriously is exactly the sort of thing that Kaczynski thought was so bad about civilization that he started mailing bombs to other...
  4. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    I dearly hope that you're aware that Ted Kaczynski is, to put it delicately, best known for other work. That being said, a Kacyznskian take on the objectification of women in comic books certainly is a novel one, and it is rather amusing to see even if I suspect it's exactly the sort of...
  5. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Dude, this is a troll account (or at least it was until I chased TNoL back here because I never got a chance to respond to his stupidity elsewhere). I created it to make fun of at how butthurt conservatives who love to defend ethnic chauvinism get when ethnic chauvinism about the same issues...
  6. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    What difference is there, exactly? I evaluate the cultures of the North and the South and note the many weaknesses of the South—the slavery, the violence, the indolence, the hostility to learning, and so forth—and the vastly fewer in comparison weaknesses of the North. In doing so I come to the...
  7. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    What right does any culture have to be exalted simply because it exists? If we cannot say that some cultures have superior qualities and others inferior ones, then what will have become of conservatism? How can we say that, say, the modern culture of oversensitivity among the American left or...
  8. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    @Battlegrinder I’m genuinely curious—what positive qualities do you identify as being possessed by the antebellum south, if you disagree with my assessment of it as almost uniformly bad in nature?
  9. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Certainly, I admit that it’s a bold statement, but I would argue that it’s true. At the time of America’s founding state cultures were still rather separate, but even at that point I think one can clearly say that a distinct “northern” and “southern” culture already existed—there is a reason...
  10. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    No, of course not—had we disposed of the Planters after the war we would have had a far superior system that would no longer suffer from the pollution that was the planter class’ influence, which in turn would have meant that far fewer people in the rest of the country would have been tempted by...
  11. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Of course it's spiteful--that's rather the point, isn't it? Why should the victor be expected to afford the defeated pride and dignity? Why should the remnants of the old South which have so firmly rejected so many of our attempts to civilize and develop them--attempts which have allowed the...
  12. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Well this depends on what you mean by "American", doesn't it? I suppose if I were to be more accurate I would argue that there wasn't really an "American" culture at all but rather distinct northern and southern ones which were deeply different from each other and united only by a quirk of...
  13. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    The Zulus weren't in any sense fundamentally contrary to the spirit and culture of the United Kingdom (and in fact the contrary was true--if you suggested that the Zulus ought to erect statues to the British I'm sure they would laugh at you) as the Confederates were to America. Likewise the...
  14. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Simply removing them would be far preferable to leaving monuments to the Confederates standing, but even ignoring that there are plenty of proposals out there suggesting that names and monuments commemorating the Confederates be replaced by civil rights leaders or loyalists like George Thomas or...
  15. OliverCromwell

    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Why do people imagine that the only alternative to allowing Confederate monuments to continue to stand is to destroy and forget history entirely? The problem with Confederate monuments is not that they preserve history but that they preserve a narrative of history created by a repulsive...
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