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I was going to comment that the article @Vaermina linked actually says that because the dip in the poll held into the next month when TV coverage of Afghanistan decreased, it couldn't have been all about Afghanistan in the first place. And while it's sad that the assumption is that the public's...

Nah 'cause "nuance" is in most cases people lying. Pretty much every politician, journo, etc. who is saying "we should have gotten out, but not like this" did not want to leave - it's just that saying stuff like "we should have stayed in Afghanistan forever" is politically nonviable to the...

Have a longer response to @Circle of Willis I'm writing, but I genuinely don't think this will end up being the bad political optics some people think it is. Afghanistan was massively unpopular and in three years it's just going to be "Republicans got us in, dems got us out - leaving was always...

Oh no (totally worthless grifter) allies of GAE were not all settled in red and purple states so they could rape and vote reliably democrat!1!!! 😭😭😭 We must go back to afghanistan to save them!1!1! USA USA

Who?

I mean the other thing that can be done is train Americans in a foreign language. It's not exactly impossible for people to learn other languages. In fact, that's something the military should have done much more of for Afghanistan anyway. Not having sufficient in-house ability to translate is...

Again, they've been there for 20 years. How much longer did you want to stay? The withdrawal now was delayed from a planned date in May by the Trump administration.

Leaving Afghanistan are one of the times when the orders the military has received are positive for the American people though. Like what did you want here? Another surge so that no afghani who may or may not be technically a citizen is "abandoned" even if they don't even want to leave? Because...

So you're saying that if we don't open the floodgates to people who, with the backing of the most powerful empire in the world, billions of dollars in equipment and training, and a numerical advantage that was at one point like 3-1, could not hold a single city on their own for longer than a...

As I said earlier, I think there's a pretty high chance the "soldiers and operatives bypassing the brass to rescue Americans and Allies!" is actually spooks (CIA etc.) getting their allies out. You can take that as a positive thing or a negative thing, but "our allies" in afghanistan were...

IMO military as an institution reputation is basically invulnerable with Americans. It's a Support Our Troops thing. Any downturn in popular opinion is going to be on "the Pentagon" or on "the top brass" or on "the military-industrial complex" or some other category where you can say "oh, well...

Should have renamed Bagram airfield to MLK or Harvey Milk airfield or something, lol. I heard Bagram had some fucked up shit happen in it, wouldn't want to be drawing parallels to the historical oppression of underrepresented minorities, or something. Would have to stay in afghanistan so they...

> Complains about the US Military being woke > Wants to rename bases named after confederate generals, wants US military to apologize more for muh oppression same guy, apparently lol. What do you think "woke" means?

There aren't any Americans besides the servicemembers and government personnel there. It's just afghanis with paper citizenship. There are no excuses to go back or for not leaving as quickly as possible, period.

Okay, yeah, it’s totally just private citizen ex SF who I don't know, all happened to be vacationing in Afghanistan and Pakistan and had flights booked? Also what were these "americans" they're rescuing doing in afghanistan. It was just the happening place to be? Nice beaches?

I'm not saying being ex SF makes you a spook. I'm saying, there are a fair number of spooks who are ex SF.

You know how?

Like half of right wing media right now is pushing “interventionism to own Biden.” That was the what the Afghan calling himself VP on Hannity was, that’s every “we need to stay to rescue our allies (literal garbage) or Americans (any non-governments personnel there are garbage, Taliban, and...

100% chance “ex special forces rescuing Americans” means spooks getting their allies.

Weren’t they killed already? And I sure as shit hope there aren’t more goddam pointless desert wars, if that’s what you’re saying. And any Republican Party that draws the conclusion from this that we should be more involved in retarded sandpeople conflicts, or that we shouldn’t be withdrawing...