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  1. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    It's kind of funny that Pakistan's retaliation is striking at Balochi separatists in Iran, who are the common enemy of both Iran and Pakistan lol.
  2. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    Oh, I don't doubt we will use proxy groups against them; the Iranians striking the Kurds was because we use them against them. It just seems weird this one was U.S. backed; I think it's more likely they were Israeli backed and they got away with it because of the lack of central control in that...
  3. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    It's weird the U.S. would do that when the group in question is Mossad affiliated, something the CIA was angry about in 2012 IIRC because the former was pretending to be the latter in recruiting them.
  4. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    What makes it weirder is the group that attacked Iran is a well known Mossad asset, yet Pakistan has pretty poor relations with Israel. As usual, the Middle East is a special place lol.
  5. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    Not really, if that was the case we wouldn't be seeing the Saudi-Iranian detente.
  6. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    Nope, the official history directly blames strategy composed on the ground by the U.S. military as a key factor in the ultimate failure in Iraq. I also find this argumentation strategy of yours particularly funny because it basically concedes Iran will kick our ass in any conflict; if these...
  7. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    2003-2011, yah know, the entire war. For someone who claims to be in the service it’s odd you don’t know the Army itself admits they lost to Iran. The US Army has concluded that Iran was the only victor of the eight-year US campaign to remove Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and replace him with...
  8. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    Remember when people said that about Saddam in 2003 and it ended with 4,000 American dying for nothing after getting beat by a bunch of Iranian backed militias?
  9. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    For one, it should be immediately obvious that banning Iran from importing weapons does not ban them from exporting them. If the argument is that the ban prevented them from acquiring key components or something, you'd have to square that with the fact the first combat deployment of the drones...
  10. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    This argument really falls apart if you apply more than five seconds of critical thinking on it.
  11. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    I was rather thinking the same in reverse. If you're convinced a genocide against Jews-despite Israel having nuclear weapons and Iran not-is afoot, why has Iran not already eliminated their domestic population of Jews? If the retort is that I'm being subjective, looking at concrete things like...
  12. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    No more than individuals saying they want the annihilation of the People's Republic of China means they want to genocide the Chinese, for example. Specifically on the case of Iran, however: Iran’s Jewish community is the largest in the Mideast outside Israel – and feels safe and respected And...
  13. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    Yeah, I'm not really seeing a call to genocide when you look at the whole context of the speech: "We will not back off from the annihilation of Israel, even one millimeter. We want to destroy Zionism in the world,” State of Israel =/= Jews Unless you're bringing up the dual loyalty canard?
  14. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    I don't see any evidence they do or, at least, no more than Israel itself does. Even then, realistically, an unprovoked war of aggression is supposed to do what? If it's to remove the perceived threat, Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, Israel does.
  15. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    In the event Israel launches an unprovoked, aggressive war upon Iran then anyone of good conscience must side with Iran until absolute victory is achieved over Israeli arms.
  16. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    Iran, Azerbaijan eye joint development of oil and gas fields in Caspian Sea
  17. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    You say this like Iran isn't under a global sanctions regime.
  18. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    Iran is gaining the upper hand in the Middle East: "This past March, months before Netanyahu’s ouster, China signed a $400 billion agreement with Iran that altered the correlation of forces in the Middle East. That pact more or less guaranteed that Tehran could resist Western sanctions because...
  19. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    And here's the Israelis slaughtering children. Your point? Which again shows your ignorance, because the Second Intifada was nearly a decade before 2008 when that article was made. You can expand upon it further by Hamas altering their charter in 2017 to accept 1967 borders. When Israel...
  20. History Learner

    Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

    I felt the same about your original claim, but specific to this point there is no moral difference; both are children on differing sides of the conflict discussing their desire to kill the other. In the case of the Israelis, it was via bombing and in your stated example of the Palestinians, it...
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