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  1. Cyan Saiyajin

    "Woke" Franchises

    2021 is a bit late to be considered a golden age comic. 😉 If you searched and this was the only other example you could find then this is apparently even more rarer a thing than I though it was. S'task mentioned the golden age, not the silver age. Although I have read a good bit of that too.
  2. Cyan Saiyajin

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    Actually as someone who used to look at Golden Age material for laughs, I'm pretty sure I've never seen this. At least from the big names.
  3. Cyan Saiyajin

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    You seem to be making a lot of assumptions here. The wiki actually grosses over that entire period of Ivy's existence in the comics. So I'll try to see what happened post-crisis. Pre-crisis is a fair bet given the one story I saw of her. Also discovered their was a story when Ivy was seducing...
  4. Cyan Saiyajin

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    Oh I get that. I just didn't think it had anything to do with the point I was making. And I never said I hated the show. Nor did I question when she swapped sexualities....Which is kind of a weird statement, I'm not sure she swapped anything? Unless you are referring to really old Ivy Lore I am...
  5. Cyan Saiyajin

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    In that same show Ivy went from sleeping in the embrace of a living moving plant monster and living in a green house she had created to a normal plain bed to be with Harley. You seem to be misunderstanding the nature of my complaint with the character. The fact that you think its manhating is...
  6. Cyan Saiyajin

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    I disagree. It may of helped diverged Harley Quinn herself from her roots as the jokers sidekick. It hurts Poison Ivy because it humanizes her character. Something I think she needs less of to keep her interesting as opposed to her HQ version that was basically just a green Gotham crook instead...
  7. Cyan Saiyajin

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    Part of the reason Fan's took umbrage is because it turned out Smith lied about that as well. This is one of several instances he said he wasn't or isn't a fan. And later admitted in a interview he had "hate-watched" the series being older and thought it was for babies and they should be...
  8. Cyan Saiyajin

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    Take it as ancedotal evidence, but I know someone writing a script in Hollywood who was asked outright "well, what if someone like Ben Shapiro likes this story?". People need to understand, the twitter sphere is the media and tech industries in America at this time. And they believe this...
  9. Cyan Saiyajin

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    That's because they've been embracing politics for years now.
  10. Cyan Saiyajin

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    Whether you consider it a "proper" swap or not, the fact is casting a previously different race and gender is a sign of modern bad decision making. It wasn't always like that, and it is only a superficial one by itself, but its still become a sign of it. We will see how things pan out.
  11. Cyan Saiyajin

    "Woke" Franchises

    They are three instances about family in the comic, one during the Six Billion Dollar Bastard arch where Swift is brainwashed into being a house wife. And then during the same arch there like this whole "religious mascot" character that blesses the fake team and talks about the sanctity of the...
  12. Cyan Saiyajin

    "Woke" Franchises

    So one of the more interesting woke franchises, probably one of the non-binary parents of the whole thing and could be agreed to be woke almost from the outset is Wildstorm's The Authority. The first run is extremely liberal but really not about those themes and more about awesome super-heroic...
  13. Cyan Saiyajin

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    I agree. But there is plenty of evidence all over the place that proves that kind of idea wrong. Its not that media can't potentially influence people it certainly can, but I feel these types of theories over state its ability to influence. Yep.
  14. Cyan Saiyajin

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    You kinda joke but that's actually the issue they are walking into. The basis of the more extreme leftist theory is that culture media itself is, if not the main, a major influence on people and that if you control what people see, you will control what people think. That doesn't leave much room...
  15. Cyan Saiyajin

    "Woke" Franchises

    The immortal Hulk is good even though its jumped full on the woke train especially with the new issue coming out. It repeats the 12 years till climate change kills us all prophecy so its going to date itself really fast. But its Hulk meets body/cosmic horror, and really good.
  16. Cyan Saiyajin

    "Woke" Franchises

    Mark Hamil actually hated Luke's character in the new movie and honestly you don't have to not have TDS in order to hate the new movies. Even many of the left crowd hated TLJ and some of the movies. Hamil is still a jackass for some of the stuff he did, like yelling at Trump's grandkids for...
  17. Cyan Saiyajin

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    Honestly I don't know if its really a matter of being "woke" as much as I think modern woke schools have no idea how to be subtle, creative, or just plain good, with the themes and topics they want to tackle. Look at Zootopia, a popular movie whose plot revolved around racism, it had a good...
  18. Cyan Saiyajin

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    That's kinda how peaks work, whether your conservative or liberal or anything under the sun, when you start to think that the world would be better like how you want it to be and needs to change right now your only solution is more and more authoritarian measures. Authoritarian is a measure of...
  19. Cyan Saiyajin

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    yes and no. It's real easy to get kids to say what you want, but when they hit the teens, counter culture kicks in and they rediscover the morality wheel. If it didn't, we would all still be WASPs. One generation embraces a fad hard, the next rejects it.
  20. Cyan Saiyajin

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    It's also how those qualities are portrayed that's the kicker. Princess Peach is the example many woke schools go after but lots of people like her and the thing is she is portrayed as a person. She is generous, kind, and does occasionally kick ass. If characters are treated more than simply...
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