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While in some areas grumbling against rich white folk was heard among the poor whites, poor whites were far more conscious of their status in relation to blacks: that is, they were always going to demand they be held on a higher plane, just as in the days of slavery being white and free...

What also shouldn't be understated was the sentiment of the Union, while not being entirely sovereign, still being something to feel loyalty to. The Union commanded a strong sentiment in both sections, the feeling of a common destiny for all of the English-speaking ex-colonies that successfully...

Also, if I was going to agree to a monument to any Confederate officer, it'd be Patrick Cleburne. He was brave, he was fighting for his neighbors, and he openly promoted freeing slaves to join the Confederate Army and won only ridicule and outrage. Then that dumbass Hood got him killed at the...

Yes, the Mexican-American War, which was a proving ground to a lot of the eventual generals of the Civil War. And in some cases, officers from Southern states chose to fight for the Confederacy even if they were active duty Union officers due to the direction their state took. Others...

I'm starting to get jealous here. I'm supposed to be the "War of Southern Aggression!"-spouting "properly subjugated son of the North" (as I was once called on SB), not Cromwell, dammit. Go shut down a theatre somewhere, you Roundhead prude. :p (j/k) The South was never a monolith. That's one...

It's why I suggested that we simply make sure that the monuments' attrached plaques reflect historical reality, not the agendas of those who erected them.

Ah yes. That rule also did start splintering things in the South moralewise as it was proof of "Rich Man's War, Poor Man's Fight".

That's why I've been calling for a case by case basis for any decision.:p

To elaborate, I was born in DeLand, FL, and raised in Osteen and then Sanford, which are towns/cities north of Orlando and generally considered part of the Orlando Metropolitan Area. To avoid the risk of further bloating the discussion with half a dozen quoted segments, I'm going to trim to...

Most of the monuments I'm talking about aren't contemporary with the start of these areas, they're later additions. And if removing them would in some way damage the locality and diminish its historical value (which I'm skeptical of), then my other option comes into play: plaques explaining the...

The problem is that even though there were likely a minority like that, some play them up as a majority or a significant minority when they usually weren't. And it coincides with antebellum slaveowner propaganda about content slaves who didn't want to be free because they were happy to be...

That's why I specified protecting historical sites. History is important. But not every memorial is historical, it's also cultural, especially those erected to reinforce the racial system of the South when it came under attack. I really need to read up on the Readjuster Party. And I'd say...

Let's be honest, their fear was also that with slavery ended and their status as property (potentially property for freedmen, since racist whites would have to be careful) gone, one of the only real barriers to poor white lynch mobs torturing and murdering them on slight suspicions was gone. A...

What's this about sending a slave to fight in his place? The Confederacy didn't approve slaves actively joining the Army until the beginning of 1865, after tumultuous debate in their Congress, and only a year after Patrick Cleburne was nearly censured for proposing the idea in the army. Hell...

Understandable, yes. Personally my favorite Confederate general, aside from Longstreet, is Patrick Cleburne.

Yes. I should've specified "historical site" as well. Clearly meant to commemorate the event. As HistoryMajor noted, some of those memorials were erected by groups like "United Daughters of the Confederacy", some IIRC aren't even in the former Confederate states or even in states that had...

Oh, you're no fun. :p *puts away "War of SOUTHERN Aggression" placards* Okay, personally... I'd say leave cemetery statues. But celebratory ones not used to directly commemorate the dead I'm fine with having removed (preferably to a museum, it is art, sometimes bad art IIRC). But given the...