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  1. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    A purely Amish juror pool might be clean in that regard, but probably not many others.
  2. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    See, this I agree with. Chauvin's actions would have likely lead to a conviction for at least manslaughter in any normal trial as it was; adding on the political angle and axe grinding turned what could have been a legitimate court case into a circus that may have resulted in juror intimidation...
  3. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    Some people are really, really invested in 'Chauvin is completely innocent, fentanyl killed Floyd, not anything the cops did/didn't do' narratives to try to push back against the results of Floyd's death/their impact on the US social sphere/protect the 'Thin Blue Line' from backlash. It's true...
  4. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    As I said, I remember hearing about specific acts likely to intimidate jurors during the trial in some news stories, it's just I never heard of anything coming from it. I'm trying to sort back through the thread back to when the trial was actively going on to see if any of the instances made it...
  5. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    My take is, Chauvin probably does have a case for juror intimidation, with everything that happened during the trial and the national spotlight on it. I mean I think Chauvin was a reckless fucktard in how he handled that scumbag Floyd, and many of his fellow officers that day weren't much...
  6. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    Tell that to the people who want to wave the Stars and Bars at NASCAR events, or to the people who want to act like removing CSA monuments/memorials/names is 'erasing history'. Also, tell that to the people who do not want to acknowledge how much power and influence the KKK and Daughters of the...
  7. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    That's because, for better or ill, thos pre-democratic govs were legit govs of those areas, often for hundreds of years. The CSA lasted all of 5 years, as a illegit gov occupying US soil, and all because they saw chattle clavery as critical to their way of life. It's not the same at all. No...
  8. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    The situation between the Confederacy and the Union was not some nostalgia for a lost monarchy or some issue with a foreign power, as your examples cite. And part of the reason progressives have been able to make so much headway is because so many on the Right are unwilling to stop catering to...
  9. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    Just a reminder there is a reason why the 'Confederate Air Force' changed it's name to the 'Commemorative Air Force' long before George Floyd was killed. Turns out associating yourself or your organization with the Confederate States of America tends to be bad for marketing, investment...
  10. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/03/22/denver-protest-shooting-charges-dropped-matthew-dolloff/ So the DA says they cannot disprove a 'self-defense claim' in this incident. Guess pepper spray counts as enough of a weapon to justify lethal force in the DA's mind. :rolleyes:
  11. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    Not to mention the guy on the couch in this instance wasn't even on the warrant, and was just someone who had come over and was crashing on said couch. His reaction to people busting down the door out of the blue while he's sleeping, and the normal reaction of trying to reach for a gun in a...
  12. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    And how many innocent lives have these wonderful 'risk assesments' killed in no-knock raids? Cops get paid to take risks in order to protect innocent people; that does not end just because someone gets a no-knock warrant. At minimum the depts involved in situations like this need to be hit...
  13. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    He took the BLM flag from a historic black church; it wasn't just some random BLM flag he bought.
  14. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    Yeah, gotta say that the whole Jan 6th flag thing...dude stole it to begin with, then burned it. If it was his own flag, nothing would have come of this; but it wasn't, and just because we do not like BLM or Antifa does not mean it is ok to steal their stuff and destroy it.
  15. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    A 'wise' person doesn't follow the golden rule at all; a 'wise' person sees how other's act towards them and others, then judges and acts accordingly.
  16. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    The 'silver rule' has always been more realistic than the 'golden rule'; because the golden rule leaves you open for getting burned time and time again. Treat people neutrally/civilly/politely if they have done you no harm but not helped you either, and return in kind what they give to you...
  17. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    That's a poor excuse, and now the negative image of police in certain communities is so much easier to understand if many depts operate on that methodology. Location awareness and relocating are things, you know. They didn't have to stop in a residential area to administer aid, instead of...
  18. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    He should never have pulled Floyd out of the back of the car to begin with; he had him contained and he was no threat. Chauvin should have headed for the station or ER, not pulled Floyd out on the ground right there. He also had 3 other officers there, if you recall; they added to the fuck up...
  19. Bacle

    United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

    The place where it became manslaughter over just restraining a suspect is when Chauvin paid more attention to the crowd than to the man under his knee. Floyd might have died on his own in the back of the cop car on the way to the station or ER, given what else we know about his health at this...
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