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  1. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    So I figure I'll toss in a story of exactly how to handle a screw up. These cops are amazing and should be applauded for what they did here. They didn't even need lawyers, they went far beyond what was legally required to do what was morally required. In short, they had a warrant for a guy...
  2. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    This, I will say, was actually handled correctly by the department, in that the guy got arrested and charged (hopefully the DA gives this guy a huge sentence). But I posted this here more because of the mental stuff and forcible hospitalization. That girl has permanently lost her gun rights...
  3. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    Shaken baby syndrome is a problem with the brain, not blunt force trauma to the stomach. From the WestLaw article linked, it's clear that everyone agreed there was a distended stomach, and other problems there, which was initially diagnosed as blunt force trauma. Now this (definitely biased...
  4. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    I'm not expecting a deerstalker. I'm expecting due diligence. A five minute call to the neighbor to see if she did CPR. Looking at medical records when your case relies on medical records. And again, you claim adversarial, but that's again not quite true when it comes to the prosecutor. They...
  5. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    My stuff below shows why they either knew it, or should have known it. No. It's actually part of the job of the prosecutor in the American system. He is supposed to seek justice, not just convictions (which is why, for example, the Kenosha prosecutor facing Rittenhouse was a bad prosecutor even...
  6. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    This is government overreach. They knew all the evidence, or didn't look for it. A baby with bruises rushed to get CPR has a clear and obvious alternate explanation to murder. Failing to do basic research into the case but seeing an headline making conviction, the prosecutor didn't take 2...
  7. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    Or why I oppose the death penalty: because I don't trust government.
  8. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    So don't get me wrong, trans inmates in women's prisons is a bad idea. But perhaps even worse is that women's prison's are a hotbed for rape by prison guards already: https://reason.com/2023/09/03/i-knew-they-were-scumbags/ The federal government knew it had rapists in its employ. Instead of...
  9. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    Yes. Then judges came in with qualified immunity, and made that brutality legal in practice. The police will never be prosecuted because of prosecutorial discretion (and they'll almost always be pro police, as they basically are lawyer!cops). You need civil penalties for bad behavior, because...
  10. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    No, most bureaucrats don't have any legislatively codified immunity. Prosecution absolute immunity is about the only other large amount of immunity there is. Shockingly, I think that removing someone's leg deserves a lawsuit. The cop cancelization has actual strength because people realize...
  11. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    Worse, revenge attacks don't even solve the problem. Violence is generally a poor solution to problems, as it causes more of them. Also, there already has been police shootings (i.e. guys shooting the cops because they are cops). This actually already mostly exists. The idea of political...
  12. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    Don't get me wrong, a society needs some form of cops. The thing is, police brutality is how you end up with no cops. It lowers trust in cops (for obvious fucking reasons, no one wants to lose a leg on their front porch), and makes people go to drastic lengths to solve a very real problem...
  13. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    UK is utterly lost. Full on Police state.
  14. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    There is a bar for some type of cop immunity, probably based on objective reasonableness (would other cops in a similar situation act similarly?). But qualified immunity, which applies to all governmental agents, and is based on whether a court case has established whether an action is...
  15. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    Yes. That's exactly what I said. Great job reading. Well done.
  16. Abhorsen

    Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

    Wow, you always do seem to find a way to purposely misread everything by someone you dislike, don't you?
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