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  1. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    Huh, didn't know about this. As far as I can tell, other than that a PRC pilot died and they landed in china and got detained, this managed to be about a nothing long term, which is nice. I expect similar here.
  2. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    Yeah, this is where I'd put it. Not nothing, but given it was in international space with no humans inside, it's not a huge deal. It matters, but it's very different than the russians shooting down a plane with Americans in it. Honestly, I don't know if something similar to this has been done...
  3. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    I see what you mean about not having enough difference in culture. I'd say that if an attempt is made to indoctrinate kids, clearly there was enough of a difference in culture for it to matter to the decision makers, and thus it'd qualify. Basically, I doubt the US would bother crushing the...
  4. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    Just avoid double posts. If it's been a full day or two, then fine, maybe double post if you must (even then I'd avoid doing it unless it's been a long while). But usually it's not worth it. People will see your new content edited in when they next open the thread. If you want to draw people's...
  5. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    In the future, please just edit your old post.
  6. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    Thanks for the aboriginal example! I was trying to list purely cultural ones, the holocaust was more of a killing people genocide.
  7. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    Personally, I've never held that forceful change of culture = genocide. Normal genocide is death/rape in near total (or the attempt of it). Cultural genocide is thus the complete eradication of the previous culture, and everything it stood for. So yes, the humanity declaration was bad. But it...
  8. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    I hope that no one died.
  9. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    No, it never makes sense. It presents the defendant with two shit options, show up (to what is quite possibly a kangaroo court), or don't present a full defense. They are BS and need to die. Besides that, the Dutch court did have jurisdiction, as I believe some of the people on that plane who...
  10. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    Agreed. Eh, this is way more of a direct and obvious proxy than the western ones. The thing is, I don't see how you get a conviction for an act of war during a war. Or are we going to begin arresting the US government people who ordered drone strikes on innocents? It's no accident that the one...
  11. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    No, it isn't. You could conceivably argue an accident, but saying "It's Russia's fault" is just completely not at all how stuff works, and also a bad tack to take if one wants to avoid war with Russia (which anyone with a brain wants to do).
  12. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    Also, they are somehow trying to grab war out of the jaws of peace by blaming Russia even if it's a Ukrainian missile.
  13. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    Comedy is terror plus time.
  14. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    What does the NAP have to do with appeasement? Seriously, there's nothing wrong with drawing a clear line in the sand, and sticking to it, ignoring other things as not-my-problem. Ukraine? Not the US's problem (or shouldn't be, more accurately). We decided to basically attack a Russian core...
  15. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    Stop simping for nukes, simp. "WAHHH!!! Everything's Putins fault and we are completely blameless." Please, keep showing off your ignorance to the world. You don't understand how the NAP works, don't realize that the reason why we are here is in large part because America kept pushing Russia's...
  16. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    Really, what's your solution? Nuclear war? Yeah, shockingly enough I'd much prefer talking to nuclear war. Also the "Oooh, something possibly horrific is gonna happen, let's decide to use this to arbitrarily attack my political enemy" is expectedly awful as well, even ignoring that your...
  17. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    I really, really want this to be true. Like so, so much desperately hope this is true, and we can deescalate back to just a war, not nukes-fly-everyone-dies inevitability of any US/Russia hot war.
  18. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    No, they don't, or they would have invaded the Baltic states already. Letting them in obligates us to go to war with Russia immediately. Send our troops in to fight Russian troops. It's a horrible idea that ends with nukes. You got a bunker?
  19. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    Honestly, with quality We absolutely cannot let them in while they are still at war with Russia. After that, maybe, but before that is a hard no.
  20. Abhorsen

    Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

    Honestly, not sure if a sub would actually work here, the water's so shallow you could likely see it. Far better is just some people in a boat with scuba gear, and C4.
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