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Because they have nukes, so any invasion by Ukraine fails. They don't even need to guard their border, just go full longterm ceasefire. Even if you kick Russia out of Ukraine entirely, that doesn't end the war. Ukraine is limited in how they can attack Russia's mainland.

No, you haven't. There's not been actual peace talks. He's just been stating a starting position, so has Ukraine ("we want everything back"). Neither is going to actually happen, so treating those as the end of a conversation instead of starting spots for a negotiation is wrong.

Look, if Russia can't agree to that, then quite bluntly they'll be at war forever until Ukraine falls. Those are the two options. Or, we could bother to actually ask Putin what works for Putin (not Russia).

Nah. You just tell them loudly enough about the great victory you have won, how you've defeated the nazis (get Ukraine to ban Azov as part of the peace), taken the land to defend ethnic russians, etc, and that you succeeded at what you wanted despite all of NATO opposing you. Even harp about how...

I don't know that Putin cares enough about Russia's future that he won't trade that for a big domestic win when he needs one.

Yeah. As someone who's very much not a fan of Ukraine (IMO they've ceased to be a democratic country), they are still better than Russia, and I'd love for them to win. I don't think it's in America's interest to spend money and effort to help Ukraine win though, especially at this point. As a...

@Bacle, you've accused a poster (History Learner) of having an extremist view (specifically that he supports the Jihadi's). As per rule 2e, please back this up within 48 hours, or retract the statement. Given that History Learner has been threadbanned for quite a while, please respond in the...

History Learner is not a topic of this thread. Neither are any other people. Posts not mentioning Ukraine, but instead just attacking other posters are derails, and you will be threadbanned for doing them from now on. Other hits for past behavior may also be coming down, but this is just to...

They are significantly better. Huge orders of magnitude better. You completely underestimate the costs of a planned, centrally controlled economy vs the simple mass theft in Russia today or whatever the fuck China has. Both are shockingly better. Note crucially the lack of mass starvation as a...

Yes. Some argued the same thing about the brave mujahedeen Osama Bin Laden. It's like goddamn clockwork: everytime we 'help out' we are on the wrong side, or end up doing something horrific, or just fuck up entirely. So yeah, I'm sorry I don't take comfort from this 'crazy' hypothetical that...

Yes, thank you for a perfect example of someone who doesn't know what an ancap is, and thinks that AnCap = greedy. The money to pay this is coming from US tax dollars, which are all stolen. Stealing money is not anCap compatible. And that's ignoring how often the weapons are used to kill...

Not just us, but to pretend we had nothing to do with it is ludicrious. We helped the coup with the Euromaidan protests. Yeah, the US is better at regime change: it's us who helped overthrow the government. Our little green men are just a ton better at not being noticed.

It absolutely does. We caused this problem. We actively support genocides in Yemen and in other places. I've absolutely no faith here that us intervening won't lead to us committing or causing even more horrors. Now do I want Ukraine to win? Yes. Can we ethically support them without setting the...

No, it was an aligning of the MIC with National interests, that's all. Because your only option is to buy from the shady used car salesman! The reason you can get a good car is because you can choose who you buy from. There's a difference between having a military, and spending endless money...

There will never be cold rationality. That's what I'm saying. There will either be a dictator, looking out for himself, an isolationist viewpoint that ignores the outside other than trade, or a profiteering outlook looking to benefit the oligarchs who are in the Military Industrial Complex...

Thanks for being honest about American Foreign policy! We rob US citizens to pay the MIC to supply wars.

This was the lie sold to the people. The reason it continued was simply more money for MIC. It's why R's were in favor of it as well. There never will be a middle ground, that's what you fail to see. The government will never be good, it will either be mostly irrelevant or relevant and...

Yes there was. There was the interests of the MIC, which made bank off the war. And that is a national interest in the opinion of those who make the decisions. In fact, it's the most important one. You don't get the option of a good government though. This magical fairy tale told of a...

No, the US shouldn't promote wars 'in it's interest'. This is the sorta thinking that led us to take 20 years to replace the Taliban with the Taliban. US foreign policy does though, and it shouldn't.

I don't care what Ukraine or Russia is doing. They aren't my Country. I care what the US is doing. And the US shouldn't be promoting war. All I read are various excuses about why the US should promote this war. How this war is somehow different than another. It isn't. It's just the same: US MIC...