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  1. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    I'd take the "not on the Island" stuff with a heap of salt. Usually it's just one victim saying that they didn't see them on the island, etc. Or it's Ghislaine, who massively lies about stuff. The stuff that places people as having sex with others is what's most important.
  2. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    There are definitely missing pages in what was released. You can look at the page numbers, and there are sudden jumps in the numbers. I think this is normal enough, but it's annoying.
  3. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    Replacing this with a key quote from Virginia Guiffre: It seems that the "large hotel chain owner" was Thomas Pritzker.
  4. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    So the stuff came out, though notably not a simple list of clients. Anyone got a link to the actual source? Nevermind. The full trove of documents is available for download here: https://www.404media.co/download-the-jeffrey-epstein-documents/ Or here for online...
  5. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    IDK about surprising, but I'd be surprised if Bill Gates wasn't there.
  6. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    Again, note that she didn't necessarily make the accusation of the Obamas. The people she accused were redacted, then a random twitter dude filled in Barack and Michelle Obama. That guy was likely pulling that out of his ass.
  7. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    The Clintons are a ton more likely. Even ignoring the plane rides, they were famous & important for a ton of time prior to Epstein's first arrest, while not being president. They had the entire 2000s to do this. Obama had next to no time. If he had won the presidency in '92, I'd say he would...
  8. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    Yeah, from my POV it seems that the accuser is fine, a tweeter just put people's names in her mouth. Out of all powerful politicians, Obama and Michelle are the least likely to be involved with Epstein. He mattered for about 4 years (2005-2008) prior to being under intense scrutiny as prez, and...
  9. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    Look, even if we do get cherry picked names (it seems to be a bunch of UK names, so I don't think so), that's still more pedos rounded up. And more chances for someone to spill the beans on others. Let's take a win where we can get one.
  10. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    Who said I didn't have a problem with the current system?
  11. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    My objection to that is the incentive structure: it incentivizes convicting people for dumb or non-existent crimes to get forced labor. That Maxwell is considered nonviolent is bullshit IMO. She, at the very least helped cause massive amounts of child rape. I'm quite fine with reforming...
  12. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    In general, I'm quite fine with a low security prison having such a wide range of things. I'd much rather low security prisons designed for non-serious offenders not harden people, but instead give them pathways out of a criminal lifestyle. But why the fuck does Maxwell end up here? The ship...
  13. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    It's mostly that it's been done this way for a while, and judges don't like change. It all really depends on what the Supreme Court wants.
  14. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    As for Prince Andrew and Virginia Guiffre, there is this photo: Showing her, Prince Andrew, and Ghislane at Ghislane Maxwell's house in London while she was underaged.
  15. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    Sadly, unless she killed someone, she can't receive the death penalty in the US.
  16. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    Eh, she was fine for months when she could have been killed in the middle of nowhere.
  17. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    It's a nothingburger full of lies, from a quick skim. No results for a search of Trump or Biden, but a few for Mar-a-lago.
  18. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    lol, guess I did. No idea what has been going on there.
  19. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    Yes. I'd want to check that he wasn't the one to murder that guy too. I mean, IDK about a motive, but we have somebody willing to commit murder that knew the guy, so he's suddenly a suspect. Shouldn't be hard to check either, just see if he was on a plane to that area recently. But if he wasn't...
  20. Abhorsen

    United States The Doom of Ghislaine Maxwell

    So in regards to the Judge assassination attempt, it is becoming less likely that it was conspiracy/Epstein related. The guy was a MRA nut (not saying that MRA's are nuts, just that this one was ove the nut variety of MRAs). He didn't like this judge (though he didn't like a lot of people), and...
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