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  1. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    The reason you don't flatten the country to get to the devil is because then the devil can get to you. What you utterly fail to realize is that any weapon used against big groups will be used twice as hard against the little guy. Also, again, I'm not arguing this as a moral point (the ADL...
  2. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    Their protection scheme you put out their is entirely speech though. They are saying X is allowing antisemitism to flourish (which let's assume for sake of argument ends up being an opinion and not directly defamatory, because otherwise we agree. I don't mean legally an opinion, I mean a valid...
  3. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    Wow, again you decide to lie about what I've been saying. I've consistently had no problems with a defamation lawsuit, as I've pointed out before. You know, if you had read what I posted, it might help you not get dumb ideas about what I said in your head (though personally, I think they...
  4. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    Yes. And? Shockingly, freedom isn't free. It has many costs, from soldiers dying, to dealing with people exploiting the rights to do bad things, and we must watch and let them do that. Because if we crack down, and violate the right because this time its okay (which is absolutely the line I'm...
  5. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    Yes. And it causes harm. But if we limit someone's speech of an opinion because it causes financial harm, where does that end? And how long until the next Dick's Sporting Goods sues a group organizing a boycott for not selling guns anymore? I presume that the current definition of tortious...
  6. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    ... I haven't said they shouldn't be. I'm just saying they should have free speech rights? And I've said I'm unsure of the interactions between tortious interference and free speech, that's all. ... I never said that, and I've repeatedly said that deception/coercion is aggression, but sure, lie...
  7. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    Jan 6th. And before you come at me with 'feds' or the like, I know, but this is from the government's perspective. And they won't admit to Feds, so now any time they insert feds and get a violence, they get to remove speech rights from the group as well. And Jan 6th at least had a small amount...
  8. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    "When a child starts seizing and smashing other children's toys to pieces, you take those toys away from them. The MAGA crowd will not act responsibly so their toys have to be taken away" Come back with a better argument.
  9. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    Looking at this more closely, it's actually 2 where you go wrong, not 4. Specifically the ADL does not actually deny others the right to speak. It doesn't own a social media company that limits use based on speech. Nor does it run the government and order the cops around to arrest protesters...
  10. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    No. Or you'd lose it too. As you are advocating for people losing speech rights. Again, the government would judge you to have forfeited it for a million reasons, many false, one true: that you argued that the ADL should lose speech rights. For some reason, most can't grasp the idea that yes...
  11. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    You must allow evil rights. Because who actually allows people rights? The government. Who would then decides who is evil and doesn't get rights? The government. You can see where this is going. The first amendment is only a piece of paper. It needs to be enforced by the Supreme Court. Prior to...
  12. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    I think you misunderstood who I was comparing the ADL to: I was comparing them to the KKK the ACLU defended, and us to the ACLU. Yes, one cannot claim rights one denies to others. Thus we are in the position of needing to defend the rights of people who do not share those rights, otherwise we'd...
  13. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    No. Because damning their protected speech is how you lose your protected speech. There's a very good reason that the ACLU stood for the KKK's speech rights when it was worth something, and we now know they are worth nothing because they don't stand for the rights of people they disagree with...
  14. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    More, he has one of the key elements: actual damages. The big issue will be the opinion part. A lot of stuff is opinion. "Rittenhouse is a murderer"? Opinion. "X has racist stuff"? Opinion. And I could go on. He does have a chance through through tortious interference...
  15. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    Sure, but then there's the chance to get a Jew. Look, is it odd? Sure. But odd things happen all the time (For just one example, the other murder suspect Conley's lawyer had recently gotten a black man acquitted of raping a white woman). I think that Leo Frank probably didn't do it, on the...
  16. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    I've seen one or two people say they are being shadowbanned. But then I still see the tweets, so I dunno about it. But note that even that is leagues better than before. Twitter would ban you from posting stuff. Now X allegedly limits the reach of stuff, but you are still better than before...
  17. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    My quote was refering to kids: And evidence: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/01/facebook-teens-leaving-instagram-snapchat-study-user-numbers Oh, that looks like competition to me. So here's the thing. Competitors (an economic term where you went to a normal dictionary for...
  18. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    I should clarify what I meant in that post. I meant that that post wasn't about demographics (of course they do compete for viewer's time, which includes how many viewers there are), which you claimed it was, but instead it was stating, again, that the product is similar enough to clearly be...
  19. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    First, I never said they had to be competing for the same viewers. That was you. Here was my quote: Note that it never mentions viewers. Maybe you could get that from "time spent on tiktok is time not spent on twitter", but that's true even if they are aiming at different audiences. In fact, I...
  20. Abhorsen

    Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

    First, I don't think you understand. Overlapping demographics isn't necessary to be competitors. The fact that the demographic is split at all shows that there is competition. In a no competition world, there would only be minecraft xor mass effect, not both. Your graph? It proves there is...
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