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Get back on topic about Iran.

It does note that the US specifically supplied weapons though. Northern Iraq's conquest is what I'm referring to. My claim was that the US armed ISIS. You claimed that Lethal aid began in 2014. I'm pointing out that the US gave lethal aid early to mid 2013, a few months after the program...

Man this is just pathetic. There literally was a point when they started calling themselves ISIL. They made an announcement about it and everything. So there clearly was "such a point." Well prior to that point, the US had been funneling arms into the region, and they were ending up in what was...

Jesus christ. Read what I'm writing. There was a point when ISIS got much more powerful (you might recognize this point because that's when they actually started calling themselves ISIS). Everyone who's treating this honestly knows about what I'm talking about. Your pretense that you don't is...

... Again, I'm talking about them becoming a world wide threat, taking territory, etc. Look, however you want to phrase it, they got a lot more powerful in 2013 through 2015. Guess what was happening then? The US was funneling military supplies into the region and gave them to rebels. We know...

"Ooh, he said something hyperbolic, let's nit pick" Look: ISIS pre-civil war was just one of many small groups. Back then, they were not a huge goddamn problem they later became, with mass taking of sex slaves, mass murders, genocides, etc. Then US military aid comes into a region it's created...

No one cared about ISIS prior to the Syrian civil war. We opened up a lane for them to gain a foothold and prominence by opposing Assad, we armed them (through gross negligence/reckless disregard for the obvious, not intentionally), and we gave them room to expand by wrecking Iraq. Shocker...

... So? We still decided to arm them. This isn't even an argument. And so you admit that ISIS was the US's fault. When I blame the US, that includes actions of US 'nation builder' idealists. A large swath of it was conquered. Our 'few' mistakes were dead obvious at that point: don't arm...

We literally armed rebels, and those arms just so happened to end up with ISIS. We got rid of Saddam, which left the country open to being conquered by ISIS. Us opposing Assad with military aid opened up a lane for ISIS. This isn't complicated to realize. You not being a believer in basic facts...

... Which we also caused. Like let's be clear about this, we are a major cause of problems in the middle east. A lot of what comes the US way is blowback.

Because there's a ton of ways to be theocratic. A number of theocrat islamists were pro western in Iran. 2 of 8 of the ones listed that are considered possible next Supreme Leaders where pro west, including the Grandson of the original Ayatollah and a former president. They aren't in power now...

Yeah. I'm on the one hand skeptical of the IRGC. On the other hand, I could easily see them making a play for power. There's a lot that could happen. Basically, I expect some manner of chaos when that happens, and it's worth the US's time to wait it out and basically force Iran to effectively...

I honestly don't think a full on war with Iran is inevitable. It's on a weird timetable with Khamenei dying of old age (he's 84, so it's quite possible). If he dies? And the next mullah doesn't hate the US first (quite possible, remember there have to quite a lot of high level people who like...

Honestly, if we kick the can down the road a year, that's good enough. Right now, we want Israel alone in the thunderdome with Hamas. That's a won battle. Also, we just hit them with such a huge hit, they would have preferred we destroy a city, when Trump killed Sulemani. All drones and the...

I very much disagree that it's a flaw. Its necessary. We've succeeded in the west by making 'kill them all' an outlandish solution that no one thinks of first. You need a fair bit of indoctrination to get beyond that, and it has costs. This is then tempered in the front lines by them quickly...

Look, I don't want war with Iran. Frankly, it's a stupid idea that will lead to us trying to nation build again. Instead, they fuck with us, we retaliate worse (i.e. another Sulemani hit, or sink their ships again). As a resident peacenik, lol no. There will be constant war, it just won't be...

Oh, Juche is crazy, but it isn't worshipping suicide. That's a huge difference. On top of that, I'm much more skeptical that the leaders actually believe in it than Iran. And Iran has done wars. Just because they believe suicide is good doesn't mean they are stupid other wise. They are...

I very much disagree with this. There's a significant difference between Iran and North Korea. Iran, especially their leaders and the IRGC who would control any nuclear device, follow an ideology that honestly believes in martyrdom. They are more likely to use the nukes than nearly any other...

Occasionally. I can't find an instance of the top of my head, but probably a few serial killers. Here's a link that references that it happens, without telling when...

No, in America you can be sentenced to death twice as well, which is useful if one gets overturned on a technicality.