peter Zeihan 2020

f1onagher

Well-known member
I think we got a very different strain from China, we were watching a lot of people suddenly drop dead, but the strain here seems more tame, the initial fear was warranted, this is not.
And I fully agree with the initially measures the US undertook. Heck, I think we should have started shutdowns weeks earlier than we did. But once it because clear that the Wu Flu had a fatality rate similar to less than that of regular Flu we should have canceled the red alert and just quarantined the old folks' homes.

Oh well, at least BLM got rid of the shutdown for us. We owe them that much.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
And I fully agree with the initially measures the US undertook. Heck, I think we should have started shutdowns weeks earlier than we did. But once it because clear that the Wu Flu had a fatality rate similar to less than that of regular Flu we should have canceled the red alert and just quarantined the old folks' homes.

Oh well, at least BLM got rid of the shutdown for us. We owe them that much.

If only that were true. Last I heard, Washington State is still in 'phase one,' IE full lockdown, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of deep blue states are in the same position.
 

JagerIV

Well-known member
If only that were true. Last I heard, Washington State is still in 'phase one,' IE full lockdown, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of deep blue states are in the same position.

Yeah, the lockdown has been ended for blues. Reds are very much still under lockdown rules, as seen by that racetrack. We are far beyond the ideal of equality before the law, where such isn't really even an ideal for many anymore. We have reached the extremely dangerous point where they aren't even being hypocritical anymore. As they saying goes, hypocrisy is the tax paid by vice to virtue.

edit: basically, were at the point where, for example, a man sleeping with a woman besides his wife doesn't even pay lip service to the idea that people shouldn't be sleeping around, and instead declares that sleeping around is instead a virtue, and you are being a vile prude by not engaging in free love.

Likewise, we seem to have reached the point where they are no longer embarrassed by double standards of rules, but shout their virtue of implementing such two (or more) tier rules and chastise those sinners who racistly insist on some sort of racist univeral standard.
 

Cherico

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Yeah, the lockdown has been ended for blues. Reds are very much still under lockdown rules, as seen by that racetrack. We are far beyond the ideal of equality before the law, where such isn't really even an ideal for many anymore. We have reached the extremely dangerous point where they aren't even being hypocritical anymore. As they saying goes, hypocrisy is the tax paid by vice to virtue.

edit: basically, were at the point where, for example, a man sleeping with a woman besides his wife doesn't even pay lip service to the idea that people shouldn't be sleeping around, and instead declares that sleeping around is instead a virtue, and you are being a vile prude by not engaging in free love.

Likewise, we seem to have reached the point where they are no longer embarrassed by double standards of rules, but shout their virtue of implementing such two (or more) tier rules and chastise those sinners who racistly insist on some sort of racist univeral standard.

that's what we like to call a recipie for either an electoral slaughter or civil war.

And I dont know which one is coming.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
that's what we like to call a recipie for either an electoral slaughter or civil war.

And I dont know which one is coming.

Tom Kratman seemed to sort of predict the Mass Muslim Immigration To Europe thing, more than a decade ago

In-Terms of a "Civil War", I think you may get more of entire states or areas declaring their defiance

Like in his novel State of Disobedience.....the Texan Governess being a Latin-American Woman didn't stop the Far Left from attacking her and her family, let alone attacking a religious organization/area full of refugees from South America who were really religious and had guns
 

Cherico

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The coronavirus epidemic in the United States continues to accelerate. Much of the recent news has been about ongoing and unprecedented caseload increases in the large states of California, Texas and Florida.

While I pride myself on being a generalist, I do try to stick to my strengths when it comes to highly technical topics. I’m afraid that as regards coronavirus vaccines that isn’t possible. Biotechnology has veered into my lane, leaving me little choice but to return the favor.

The bottom line:

We’re likely to have a functional vaccine in the fourth quarter of 2020. As normally vaccines require a decade or more to develop, that’s truly moving at warp speed. But within this shiny nugget of good news seethes a swarm of complications and caveats.

Let’s start with the human trials. Vaccine testing proceeds in three phases.

Phase 1 is little more than a safety trial of 50 or so people to make sure the vaccine doesn’t make folks horribly ill. Phase 2 uses a few more people, but it is still little more than checking to be sure the vaccine’s components are not broken down in the body before they can do anything useful. (In the accelerated environment of the COVID crisis, many drug manufacturers are running Phases 1 and 2 concurrently.)

Phase 3 is where things get pathologically interesting. Thousands of people are injected and…released into the wild. The goal is for those injected to be confronted by the virus so that we know if A) the inoculated don’t get sick at all, B) they get sick but cannot spread the virus, C) they do not get sick but might still be able to spread the virus, D) if they get sick but suffer less intense symptoms, E) the proto-vaccine it does nothing at all, or God forbid F) the proto-vaccine actually makes people more susceptible to the virus. F sometimes happens. F sucks.

Point being Phase 3 is where the rubber hits the road. Right now, eight of the over 100 vaccines that are under development globally are in Phase 3 trials. The Russians decided they didn’t need Phase 3 and have gone ahead and approved theirs for general use. (I’m not saying this is preordained to end in unfettered horror, but I’m also not saying now would be a bad time to watch Moscow for signs of the zombie apocalypse.)

When I say we’ll have a functional vaccine in the fourth quarter, what I mean specifically is that at least one of these 100 (most likely one of the eight) will have made it through Phase 3 with a result of A, B, C or D. All those outcomes are considered good enough to qualify as “successful”. But even if the vaccine comes in on September 1 with a solid “A”, that hardly means the COVID-19 crisis is over. If anything, that’s only the start of the road back to normal.

The next piece of the process is manufacturing. Some vaccines require live virus which must be grown en masse. That, obviously, requires significant biohazard lab expansions. Some just require snippets of RNA and can be produced in days. Probably. Some of the newer RNA techniques – like that for the Moderna candidate – are only now being used for human vaccines for the first time. Some use a big vat of yeast which can be prepped in hours. Some need an extract from a specific sort of Chilean soapbark tree that can only be harvested in the Southern Hemisphere’s summer. I can’t give you a production timeline because each vaccine uses a different process, the materials and processes are proprietary, and we do not yet know which one will work.

Then there’s distribution. Here I’m not too worried. Every country already has a built-in, tried-and-true system for the mass distribution and application of vaccines. Think biannual flu shots. I’ve always found the logistics that make the flu shot possible to be magical. I’ve not gotten the flu in over a decade. (Go me!)

But that hardly means there cannot be distribution complications. Some vaccines require refrigeration. Some require freezing. Based on components and temperature requirements, each has their own peculiar demands for glass vials and syringes – and even stoppers. Use the wrong packaging or transport method, and you’ve just wasted months of work and millions of doses.

Finally, there’s the far-from-minor issues of efficacy and longevity of protection. Not all vaccines for the same bug are created equal. Some might require a higher dose or even multiple doses to achieve some semblance of protection. For example, that biannual flu shot I’m so fond of requires a higher concentration for the elderly in order to stimulate an immune response. The CanSino candidate might not work in the elderly at all. If two doses are required – which is currently the best guess for the Jenna/Oxford candidate – we’ll need twice the production capacity.

If the vaccine triggers a strong immune response – like the BioNTech/Pfizer candidate appears to – that’s great! But if protection only lasts a few months, we’ll need to mass produce the vaccine for global use forever…or at least until we grind the virus out of the population. (Keep in mind humanity has only actually eliminated one virus – smallpox – to the point we could stop immunizations.)

While things can and will change week by week, at present the Jenna/Oxford candidate seems to be on track to be deemed “successful” first, while the Moderna candidate faces the fewest manufacturing challenges, while the BioNTech/Pfizer candidate appears to be the most effective. China’s CanSino is a bit of a black box, but it will likely be significantly delayed. Determining a vaccine candidate’s effectiveness requires exposing the inoculated to the virus, and the virus really isn’t in circulation in China any longer. That forces the Chinese to convince other nations to be their guinea pigs. *wince*

The dream vaccine would be a one-shot vaccine delivered via nasal inhalant (no syringe required!), be made from yeast, safe to store at room temperature, grant 100% immunity, and last a lifetime. Assuming for the moment such is possible, we’re not very likely to hit the bull’s eye on the first try.

Instead it’s more than merely possible the first “successful” vaccine to market will be one that requires two shots given two months apart, is fabricated using the pancreatic fluids of a llama, only lessens the impact of COVID rather than outright preventing it, must be frozen for transport, and must be re-administered every six months. If that’s the one that wins the race, you can bet we’ll keep developing alternatives until we find something better.

But while we develop better alternatives, we’ll hit another trough. Manufacturers of glass and syringes and stoppers are holding their breath, planning to surge output to whichever candidate proves successful first. Should the first across the finish line not be the ideal vaccine, we will then need to retool everything to supply the manufacturing process for a better vaccine once it proves that it is indeed better. Based on the product requirements, there will be a delay of weeks to months.

Which vaccine is deemed “successful” first matters. No matter which candidate proves successful, global vaccine manufacturing for a fundamentally new cocktail is unlikely to be able to generate more than 100 million doses in calendar year 2020, with an additional one billion to two billion in 2021. If the “winning” mix requires two doses or biannual injections, cut the number of people who can be immunized in half. If it requires two doses and biannual injections, then by the end of 2021 there might not even be enough doses for all American citizens. To maximize their chances of getting what they need, the Americans have thrown $1 billion plus at each of the three lead candidates, complete with pending orders for at least 100 million doses.

That’s smart, but it hardly guarantees success – and the stakes are high. For one, the United States has not only failed to eradicate the novel coronavirus, it has largely failed at even the most basic of mitigation measures. We’ve collectively placed all our chips on securing a vaccine.

For two, not all doses of the “winning” formula will be produced in the United States, and other countries will want doses for their own people. The United Kingdom is a biotech leader who isn’t faring much better than the United States. The Germans are biotech leaders…and health nuts. Should doses be produced in India or China or Brazil, do you really think New Delhi or Beijing or Brasilia will prioritize shipments to the United States? Would you want them to??

So yes, we’ll likely identify something “successful” at some point in the fourth quarter of 2020, but add in the time lags for manufacturing and distribution, and the almost-certainty that Americans will have to share some doses with other nations, and the absolute most optimistic schedule possible for achieving mass inoculation of the American population won’t be until at least April 2021.


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f1onagher

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So no new news on that front. We've known that there was going to be a rushed vaccine before 2021 for a while now.

I do think he's missing out on the alternative to vaccines: herd immunity. It's old fashioned, but we used to deal with disease by everyone getting sick and the survivors making the population more resistant. It's a crappy method of dealing Smallpox, but given the low lethality of COVID its always struck me as the best way to approach this. Quarantine those of vulnerable age groups until the vaccine is available and let everyone else ride it out.
 

Terthna

Professional Lurker
So no new news on that front. We've known that there was going to be a rushed vaccine before 2021 for a while now.

I do think he's missing out on the alternative to vaccines: herd immunity. It's old fashioned, but we used to deal with disease by everyone getting sick and the survivors making the population more resistant. It's a crappy method of dealing Smallpox, but given the low lethality of COVID its always struck me as the best way to approach this. Quarantine those of vulnerable age groups until the vaccine is available and let everyone else ride it out.
Assuming herd immunity is effective against the Corona Virus; there hasn't been much research done on that front yet, and there have been cases of people who have gotten the virus, recovered, and then been reinfected.
 

Cherico

Well-known member

Thursday, August 13 the Trump administration released a series of breathless communiques proclaiming the onset of formal peace and diplomatic recognition between Israel and the United Arab Emirates. Shortly thereafter the Israeli government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu echoed the American releases in both substance and theme. The Emirati leader, Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, was far less…gushy in his own announcement, but critically contradicted nothing stated by Trump or Netanyahu.

Waitaminute! Don’t the Arabs hate Israel? Why in the world would a rich Arab statelet on the far side of the Arabian Peninsula want to exchange ambassadors with the Zionists??

It isn’t so much that the Emiratis don’t care about the Palestinians any longer (although they really, really don’t), and instead it is bound up with the rapidly simplifying American position in the Middle East. The Americans have nearly completed their pullout from the overall region, and the Emiratis are hoping to get ahead of their rapidly disintegrating geopolitical environment.

In the aftermath of World War II, the Americans crafted the global Order to bribe up an alliance to fight the Soviets. Part of that was funding rebuilding, financing the construction of industrial plant, and enabling the Europeans and East Asians to access the American consumer market. All that required oil, and that oil for the most part came from the Middle East. And so, the Americans went to the Middle East.

We are now thirty years after the Soviet collapse. Americans are done managing the world, and the Americans are especially done managing the Middle East. They’re going home. Troop rotations have outnumbered permanent deployments in-region for years. The Iraqi deployment is quickly approaching zero. The Syrian deployment is no longer more than a rounding error. Only Afghanistan remains as a meaningful deployment, and it is a deployment few Americans want to continue. The naval base in Bahrain and CENTCOM’s operations center in Qatar only continue existing to service the Afghan deployment. And that’s…all of it.

From the United Arab Emirates’ point of view this is an unmitigated disaster. The UAE (and their fellow Gulf states of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Bahrain and Qatar) don’t care what US troops do in the Middle East or how many locals they kill or how many US troops die at the locals’ hands. They simply want the Americans present – both regionally and around the world. So long as the global superpower is active, the Gulfies don’t have to worry about guarding the production, processing, and exporting infrastructure for their oil and natural gas. So long as the Americans are globally engaged and guaranteeing freedom of the seas for all, the Gulfies know their hydrocarbon exports will safely arrive at their customers’ ports. National safety and national bank. For them, it’s that simple.

Those heady days are over. America’s withdrawal from the wider world has been a longer running development than its Middle Eastern wrap-ups. It, too, is now multiple presidential administrations underway. Total US force deployments globally are at the lowest level since before the Great Depression, and still trending down.

For the Emiratis in specific and the Gulfies in general, the Americans’ past-the-point-of-no-return departure conjures up multiple, reinforcing disasters.

1: Iran

Unlike many who have a finger in the world of national security, I’ve never found Iran to be strategically threatening.

Iran’s army is designed to oppress its own population, not march on its neighbors. Its air force hasn’t been updated since the fall of the shah in 1979, and the Iranians are running out of jets to fall out of the sky. It’s navy…well, it doesn’t have a navy. It has a bunch of speedboats. Should Iran march on the Gulf states, it would face four challenges:

First, its army would have to march. It isn’t motorized. Second, it would have to first march through its own region of Khuzestan – a region populated by restive minorities. Third, it would have to cross a pontoon bridge into Basra, Iraq’s second-largest city. A high-school science experiment could take out the bridge, while needing to pacify Basra’s two-million-strong population at the beginning of an invasion’s supply line would about as much fun for the Iranians as it was for the Americans when they conquered/liberated Iraq in 2003. Finally, there’s a blistering six hundred miles of completely empty desert between the Kuwaiti border and any meaningful infrastructure in Saudi Arabia. That’s a loooooong walk.

Yet as unimpressed as I am by the Iranian military, it is the freakin’ Roman Legion compared to the militaries of the Gulf states. The Gulfies are beyond military incompetent because they’ve never had to be competent. Sure, the Emiratis and Saudis are getting some good target practice for their air forces in Yemen, but their armies are largely paperweights and none of them have a navy that’s more than a coast guard. Not only have all depended upon the Americans to do their fighting for them, most consider a functional domestic military a potential threat to the ruling dynasties.

2: Their own populations

All the Gulfies ship in vast swathes of workers, to the point that over 70% of the “populations” of Kuwait, Qatar and the UAE are imported labor. This isn’t like Western Europe or the United States where the migrants do jobs the locals don’t want. In the Gulf states, the migrants do everything. The migrants are not allowed to bring their families or own property, and as soon as the migrant men lose the ability to carry their own weight or the women lose their looks, they are rooted out and sent packing. They are regularly the target of every assault imaginable, including sexual assault.

In the United states, we have a word for that: slavery.

Treat this many people this badly, and only the existence of a wildly intrusive and brutal and unfettered internal security service can maintain domestic control for the ruling dynasties. As much of a threat as Iran is, the day-to-day internal pressures of the Gulf states are far more likely to end them.

Many make light of the fact that the actual citizens of the Gulf states could be a risk as well. After all, they are used to cradle-to-grave support for everything from food to rent to hookah bars. The idea being, that should social spending falter, the locals might rise up against their rulers.

While I don’t quite dismiss this concern out of hand, I’m not all that worried. The Gulf states in general – and the UAE in particular – have addressed this problem by helping their peoples consume as many saturated fats as possible to make them as unhealthy as possible. The idea being that overweight people laden with heart disease who can only get around on scooters aren’t the type to leave their air-conditioned compounds to riot in the desert sun. Pampered corpulence as a national security strategy might sound odd, but it works for the most part. Therefore, I am – and the local governments are – more watchful of the larger, younger, healthier, angrier and institutionally abused slave class.

The only way this system is sustainable is if the money from hydrocarbon sales keeps flowing in and whoever guarantees Gulf state security turns a blind eye. The Americans are leaving, endangering both the income flows and the political cover.

3: Outside expeditionary powers

Key thing to keep in mind when considering the United States in the Middle East: the US was primarily interested in Middle East oil for its alliance network, not for itself. Historically, the United States has gotten nearly all its crude from its own territories or its North American neighbors, plus Venezuela. With America’s shale revolution now mid-way through its second decade, technically, it is already independent. Its need for Middle Eastern oil has gone from minor to nearly nonexistent.

Not so for…pretty much anyone else. Despite all the Green rhetoric on wind, solar and the like, combined they still generate only about 2% of the world’s total energy needs. Oil and natural gas clock in at more than half. And for most of the world, it must be imported. From the Persian Gulf.

Outside powers who have been dependent upon the Americans to maintain energy flows can do the math. Outside powers who have navies can do it faster. The first time there’s a real energy crisis anywhere in the world after the Americans have left the Middle East, we’re going to see some records broken for sailing times from the United Kingdom, France, India and Japan to the Persian Gulf.

Note: China can only play in the Persian Gulf if the United States makes the Pacific and Indian Oceans safe operating zones for the Chinese navy. The Chinese navy only has a handful of ships that can sail beyond the First Island Chain. The operative word is “sail”. It is almost certain they cannot fight their way much past the Chain, much less operate five thousand miles beyond it in the Middle East. China simply is not an expeditionary power, and is a non-power in the Persian Gulf.

The Gulfies might not like the Americans very much, but the Americans have had a vested interest in the Gulf states remaining independent and making boatloads of money by selling their hydrocarbons. For the locals it was a sweet deal. Any post-American power that comes to the Gulf is unlikely to be nearly as…understanding.

So, what does this all have to do with a normalization of relations deal between the UAE and Israel. Simply put, the Emiratis (really, all the Gulfies) know the Americans are leaving and they are massively – hysterically – unable to look out for their own interests in the world that’s coming. Between the threats of Iran, their own populations and extra-regional powers, none of them are long for this world.

Unless they can get some help. They need someone who can help them resist Iran. They need someone who can help them infiltrate and purge undesirable elements from their own populations. They need someone who can help them stand up to far outsiders.

Banding together is off the table. As much as the Gulf states dislike Iran, they like one another even less. These are not countries. They are dynasties. It is as if each of the Kardashian sisters ran her own kingdom. (The GCC – for those of you who follow the region enough to know what that is – is nothing more than the Saudi attempt to force everyone to do things their way.). The Gulfies trust – they all trust – Israel more than one another.

To call Thursday’s agreement a peace deal is a rhetorical flourish. A bit of PR flim-flamery. The UAE and Israel were not at war. Israeli military planners didn’t lose much sleep thinking about Emirati-backed militant cells in Palestine or Syria or Lebanon targeting their populations, much less a conventional Emirati military attack. Thursday’s announcement was more about a public acknowledgement of cold, hard, geopolitical reality: the issue isn’t an Israel-Arab divide being healed, much less one of Jewish-Islamic ecumenical healing. The difference hasn’t been that broad is decades.

Rather, it is about an American security dependent heeding the writing on the wall. Of wanting to (of having to) protect their interests (their existence) without the promise (or hope) of American intervention. The Emiratis are worried about Tehran. About Tokyo. About Paris. About New Delhi. About London. (About Riyadh.)

They should be.

The real kicker? This diplomatic normalization is only the first step. In time the UAE – indeed, each of the Gulf states – will need to partner with an outside power if they are to survive the predations of the others. Kudos to the Emiratis for the first-mover advantage. They’ve not only gained themselves a diplomatic, political, intelligence and military partner, they’ve broken the ice and made it a bit easier to stomach partnering with a true infidel.

Time will tell if it is enough.


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wellis

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Also, that talk about Iran's military being small and mostly centered around their own nation ignores their more powerful parwmilitary wings such as Hezbollah.

Honestly, they're far more obsessed eith becoming a regional power thsn the Israelis I find.
 

Cherico

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got a new one china is going to have a bad time.
 

Terthna

Professional Lurker

got a new one china is going to have a bad time.
I question his assertion that a Biden-Harris administration would be anything but sycophantic to the Chinese; but other than that, it appears that China is doomed, and more people are starting to admit that fact.
 

f1onagher

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The ambassador's op-ed is a lot more frank than Peter makes it sound. The dude, in polite words, accuses China of being two-faced hypocritical thieves. Which, you know, is the truth, but it's not something countries that intend to have further relations say to one another.
I question his assertion that a Biden-Harris administration would be anything but sycophantic to the Chinese; but other than that, it appears that China is doomed, and more people are starting to admit that fact.
China is the biggest foreign donor to the Democratic party and there is definitely more than a little ideological cooperation, but I don't doubt that the Dems would throw the Chinese under the bus the second it became politically expedient.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
I question his assertion that a Biden-Harris administration would be anything but sycophantic to the Chinese; but other than that, it appears that China is doomed, and more people are starting to admit that fact.

Zeihan, unfortunately, takes the Democrats at their word too much. Doesn't really seem to understand that the Dems have been enamored of basically any authoritarian dictator out there since they lost JFK.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
China is the biggest foreign donor to the Democratic party and there is definitely more than a little ideological cooperation, but I don't doubt that the Dems would throw the Chinese under the bus the second it became politically expedient.

Thing is, how long would it take for them to recognise it would be a better idea to just abandon them?

When it comes to how they think, I think NETFLIX's continued sheer obsession with "Cuties" is an example of their Sunk-Cost Fallacy and mixing of not understanding how/why others would disapprove
 

Floridaman

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I question his assertion that a Biden-Harris administration would be anything but sycophantic to the Chinese; but other than that, it appears that China is doomed, and more people are starting to admit that fact.
His argument is that the Chinese can’t really give anymore to them, so the dems will turn on them, espescially since the mob hates them as well. Conflict with China is the opportunity for the largest power grab in history, there is no way they would let that opportunity pass them by.
 

Cherico

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New Peter Zeihan thing out

in it he predicts that its all going to come down to the debates and that if Biden fucks it up he will lose, if he holds his own he will win.


Personally I think Peter is talking outside his wheelhouse on this one, and underestimates how much the riots have pissed people off. How much shear anger is pissing people off and the host off legitament issues people have with the democratic party. So I think he's making a wrong call here.

Then again I think Peter is honestly in a case where he doesn't like either option and to be fair I understand why. The man honestly liked the global system of free trade that created the largest period of prosperity and peace in human history and doesn't look forward to the wars and conflicts that will happen when it all collapses. But it will collapse and there isn't any one with the political capital or will to continue throwing blood and money into an order that doesn't benefit us.

So in closing? He's good at the international stuff but I'd probally trust some one else on domestic so take it with a grain of salt.
 

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