Antifa, Just an Idea

AnimalNoodles

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So… who else is counting down the days until Antifa, BLM, or some likeminded loonies pull off another 9/11 and force the Left as a whole to finally acknowledge that maybe it does have a bit of an extremism problem?

Doubt they’ll be able to sneak into planes with boxcutters and suicide vests again, but at some point, I wouldn’t rule out them carrying out — or at least, attempting — another World Trade Center Bombing or Beslan School Siege that gets a whole lot of people killed, including themselves. If that’s not enough to generate the kind of shock value 9/11 did, then frankly, I’m not sure what is. :oops:

The left will never acknowledge they have an extremism problem, because in thier view this isnt extremism.
 

Bacle

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We litterally had a left wing loonie ram a car into a christmas parade and the left didn't give a shit.
Not just that.

It's like @Megadeath also completely memory holed the Congressional Baseball Shooting, the assault on Rand Paul by his neighbor, Kyle Rittenhouse getting smeared as a white supremacist by Biden himself before/during the trial, and things like the Weather Underground from back in the day.

Leftist violence has a long and bloody history in this nation, and the Dems went from being slave owners to be neo-Marxists Malthusians in the span of about 100 years. And I say this as someone who came from hard D family/household and went to a very radically leftist college for my degree, so I know what the beast is like.

Megadeath however at least has the spine to come to this forum to be more than a troll, so I think it's more a case he has blinders on about his own side that he doesn't even realize are there.

Charlottesville was a clusterfuck for the right, because that that POS decided to ram people, not just get himself free, and only was surpassed by how Jan 6th has been molded/played out with the biased media.

Trump's handling of the incident didn't help things, due to his usually off-the-cuff/boarish mannerisms and exaggerated speech, actually made it easier for the media to mold out of context soundbites they could spin to play up everyone on the Right at Charlottesville as a white supremacist if not outright Nazi.

Of course Antifa helps make a lot of things worst, because they want to try to make the Right become just as violent as they are, because then Antifa's masters can finally do the purge of conservatives/Right-leaning folks that the Dems masters would love to have.

The only reason at all the Dems hold back right now is because the want Red state bodies for use in military endeavors and need someone to blame for things going wrong when they fuck up. The establishment GOP is controlled by the same people who pull Antifa's strings, the establishment deep state network/State Dept careerists and the megadonor class.
 

Zyobot

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The left will never acknowledge they have an extremism problem, because in thier view this isnt extremism.

Pretty sure a Leftist 9/11 would scare most Democrats as much as it would Republicans.

Unfortunately, they’d probably dismiss it as a few hateful berserkers who are otherwise members of a tiny minority — when in fact, this is symptomatic of a larger problem the Left has. And, in fact, has had since Robespierre first started guillotining his countrymen all those centuries ago.
 

Cherico

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Pretty sure a Leftist 9/11 would scare most Democrats as much as it would Republicans.

Unfortunately, they’d probably dismiss it as a few hateful berserkers who are otherwise members of a tiny minority — when in fact, this is symptomatic of a larger problem the Left has. And, in fact, has had since Robespierre first started guillotining his countrymen all those centuries ago.

Robespierre died to the same guilotine he killed so many others with, there is a lesson in that.
 

Ixian

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And as the last little exchange should have made clear, that's hardly a problem specific to the left or right of American politics. It's a symptom of the ridiculous, toxic, false dichotomy "us vs them" of modern American politics. And to a lesser degree, other similar western countries. The enshrinement of the two party system is the biggest issue in American political culture. Everyone believes their side is good, just and right about everything, and the other side is malicious, conniving and wrong or just lying. Those who think of themselves as left-wing will always seek to excuse, mitigate or explain away bad things "their" group does, and so will those who think of themselves as "part of the right". Because we're still just very clever monkeys, and we're programed to seek social groups, and protect and strengthen them whilst building our value in them, and because intentionally or not, the political system has tricked the majority of people into the belief that sharing a handful of political positions makes people a group. It's ridiculous. Sensible people should be able to recognise that a person can share political opinions with them, even share many opinions, without that person representing them and be perfectly willing and happy to condemn that person, and further they should be able to extend to others and recognise that two other people sharing opinions on some things doesn't mean they completely agree on everything. You can't judge any group by the extremists who not only believe in whatever philosophy, but also believe in their right or even responsibility to force everyone to believe as they do, or eliminate those who don't. Most Muslims aren't al-Qaeda, most Catholics aren't IRA, most left leaning people don't try to form separatist police free communes, most right leaning people don't plow cars into political rallies, etc.

Is it a false dichotomy?

Personally feel pretty "us vs them" when it comes to people who mandate experimental medicines, try to normalize pedophilia as "minor attracted persons" and hold such disrespect and disdain for rationality and truth that they happily force people to pretend a man is a woman and a woman is a man.

Not seeing anyway a compromise can be made with the leftwing as this point.
 

Megadeath

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Is it a false dichotomy?

Personally feel pretty "us vs them" when it comes to people who mandate experimental medicines, try to normalize pedophilia as "minor attracted persons" and hold such disrespect and disdain for rationality and truth that they happily force people to pretend a man is a woman and a woman is a man.

Not seeing anyway a compromise can be made with the leftwing as this point.
Yes it's a false dichotomy, because those are sweeping and inaccurate generalisations. Trump himself has pushed hard on the vaccines, I absolutely guarantee you that the huge majority of people who identify themselves as left-wing do not support paedophilia, and there are even people who identify as right-wing who support transgenderism. Now I'm sure you'll argue that Republicans who don't share your views are just rinos, or not real right-wingers or whatever, and assure me that paedophilia support is the "true" position of democrats, but that's just the point. The two party system forces a false narrative of their being a true or correct belief set, and everyone believing exactly that or exactly the opposite. In reality, someone's views on abortion don't inform their views on gun rights, which don't inform their opinion on tax structure, which don't directly correlate to beliefs about foreign policy, etc.
 

posh-goofiness

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Yes it's a false dichotomy, because those are sweeping and inaccurate generalisations. Trump himself has pushed hard on the vaccines, I absolutely guarantee you that the huge majority of people who identify themselves as left-wing do not support paedophilia, and there are even people who identify as right-wing who support transgenderism. Now I'm sure you'll argue that Republicans who don't share your views are just rinos, or not real right-wingers or whatever, and assure me that paedophilia support is the "true" position of democrats, but that's just the point. The two party system forces a false narrative of their being a true or correct belief set, and everyone believing exactly that or exactly the opposite. In reality, someone's views on abortion don't inform their views on gun rights, which don't inform their opinion on tax structure, which don't directly correlate to beliefs about foreign policy, etc.
Sure. But I think if I can confirm this hypothetical person's beliefs about paedophilia I'll be able to accurately guess their position on guns, taxes, and foreign policy.

Same with guns, same with taxes, etc.

Their individual beliefs might not directly feed into their views about other topics but you can still cluster sets of beliefs together. And it just so happens that the "left" label clusters a bunch of disgusting, immoral, destructive beliefs and positions together.

Weird.
 

Rocinante

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Sure. But I think if I can confirm this hypothetical person's beliefs about paedophilia I'll be able to accurately guess their position on guns, taxes, and foreign policy.

Same with guns, same with taxes, etc.

Their individual beliefs might not directly feed into their views about other topics but you can still cluster sets of beliefs together. And it just so happens that the "left" label clusters a bunch of disgusting, immoral, destructive beliefs and positions together.

Weird.


You get 200 leftists into a room, and many of them might only believe this thing, or that thing, but they as a whole, represent the entire ideology. All the ideas come together to represent the whole ideology.

That's when you're looking at it on a macro scale instead of an individual scale.

So by being part of that group, you may represent a lot of things that you as an individual don't believe.

The left tends to look at us the same way.

And this is where @Megadeath gets his false dichotomy thing from. He's looking more at the micro, individual level.

I think there is value to both perspectives, I'm not certain that either one is correct 100% of the time.

For example if you're both looking at things from an individual perspective, you might have a gun supporting lefty and a LGBT supporting right winger who actually agree with each other on a lot of things and might even be friends. However, on the macro level, they're rivals.

I wouldn't say the dichotomy is false. Only that it's more complex than a simple dichotomy.

On a side note, it is interesting how you can tell so much about one's political opinions just from their looks. If I see a blue haired pierced woman, I feel pretty confident that I can name off most of her political beliefs. I'm not sure how much of this is signalling, and how much if it is a result of "trait openness," in psychological terms. Those people tend to do the bright hairs and piercings, and also tend to be more on the left wing politically.
 
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Tiamat

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On a side note, it is interesting how you can tell so much about one's political opinions just from their looks. If I see a blue haired pierced woman, I feel pretty confident that I can name off most of her political beliefs. I'm not sure how much of this is signalling, and how much if it is a result of "trait openness," in psychological terms. Those people tend to do the bright hairs and piercings, and also tend to be more on the left wing politically.


Yet another reason I stay the hell away from any lady whose hair looks like it came out of a cotton candy machine, and by stay away I mean as though she were a leper, but overall yes, very much agreed.
 

S'task

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And then you have my wife... who likes having her hair colored a nice shade purple or red... and can accurate be described as "at least if not more social and economic conservative than I am"...

Sometimes people just like doing anime hair.
 

Rocinante

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And then you have my wife... who likes having her hair colored a nice shade purple or red... and can accurate be described as "at least if not more social and economic conservative than I am"...

Sometimes people just like doing anime hair.
Perfect illustration of my micro vs macro analysis.
 

Jormungandr

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And then you have my wife... who likes having her hair colored a nice shade purple or red... and can accurate be described as "at least if not more social and economic conservative than I am"...

Sometimes people just like doing anime hair.
I used to have aqua (light blue) dyed into my hair, when I was younger (late teens/twenties). I was very much into the music scene, and so were my friends -- my best friend at the time had blonde with pink streaks.

There are those who liked having pink or purple hair because of anime, too (like your spouse).

Dyed hair used to be associated with a lot of subcultures and fandoms.

These days, however? It's been co-opted.

When people see dyed hair, they think "batshit crazy feminist/SWJ", not "anime fan" or "metal head".

Unfortunately for your wife, that's what people are going to think when they see her.

So, yeah -- fuck Karens, and fuck femNazis. They ruined dyed hair for us.
 

LordsFire

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Yes it's a false dichotomy, because those are sweeping and inaccurate generalisations. Trump himself has pushed hard on the vaccines, I absolutely guarantee you that the huge majority of people who identify themselves as left-wing do not support paedophilia, and there are even people who identify as right-wing who support transgenderism. Now I'm sure you'll argue that Republicans who don't share your views are just rinos, or not real right-wingers or whatever, and assure me that paedophilia support is the "true" position of democrats, but that's just the point. The two party system forces a false narrative of their being a true or correct belief set, and everyone believing exactly that or exactly the opposite. In reality, someone's views on abortion don't inform their views on gun rights, which don't inform their opinion on tax structure, which don't directly correlate to beliefs about foreign policy, etc.

You have something of a point when it comes to dealing with individuals within a political 'wing.'

However.

There is one political party in the US that has been passing state-level laws that can lose parents custody of their children if they don't 'affirm gender identity.' There is one part in the US that has been passing state-level laws to restrict gun rights. There is one party that has been passing laws and making regulations that pay 'reparations.'

There is one party that has been passing laws that can get a psychologist or counselor stripped of their license or certification if they don't immediately 'affirm gender identity' and proscribe drugs to that effect.

When someone votes members of that party into power, they are supporting pedophilia, making people unable to defend themselves, and collective guilt. They may disagree with any one of those policies individually, but they are still enabling these to be put into place.
 

AnimalNoodles

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Pretty sure a Leftist 9/11 would scare most Democrats as much as it would Republicans.

Unfortunately, they’d probably dismiss it as a few hateful berserkers who are otherwise members of a tiny minority — when in fact, this is symptomatic of a larger problem the Left has. And, in fact, has had since Robespierre first started guillotining his countrymen all those centuries ago.

No, they would find ways to justify it, exploit it, or pass the blame.
 

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