TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
So at I am impasse because thanks my linguistic exam , it took me a year to pass it, four attempts to pass it before the fifth was the one I wrestled a 24/30* after I took 540,89 dollars tutoring (2 tutors actually) just to pass the barring process of this exam and having someone explain me many concepts in human, non-theoritical terms, I completely forgot to fill up the 1956-1960 timespan and went directly to 1960s period so far... I think I might have written it and just forgot where I saved it.
@Circle of Willis @raharris1973 @Tiamat @Sergeant Foley @49ersfootball @BlackDragon98 @Sārthākā @LordSunhawk
@Sailor.X
tagging seeing your threads on the subforum; any suggestions for what, where and so on I should look for points of divergence between1956-1960? This was my last update on Stassenite America and the Soviet Union.
@ATP @Batrix2070 if you have any suggestion on what Poland and the rest of Central Europe? I am not sure I am going to do it besides maybe said countries allowing Radio Free Europe to be established in their soil. Not because I don't want but besides Poland having nukes the rest of 34 years of history or more would be a pain to elaborate even with sources.
A much more less messy version of the timeline I am working is here secretprojects.co.uk/threads/roter-rhein-krasnyy-reyn-what-if-the-axis-members-called-it-quits-in-early-1943.39475/
*Exams' grades in the Italian university system go from 0 to 30, but you are not gonna pass if your professor think you achieved less than 18 and unlike the Portuguese university system you cannot integrate or upgrade your grade in any way (like additional work) but just straight up repeat it to the next exam date.
@Circle of Willis @raharris1973 @Tiamat @Sergeant Foley @49ersfootball @BlackDragon98 @Sārthākā @LordSunhawk
@Sailor.X
tagging seeing your threads on the subforum; any suggestions for what, where and so on I should look for points of divergence between1956-1960? This was my last update on Stassenite America and the Soviet Union.
@Circle of Willis @ATP
EISENHOWER-STASSEN PRESIDENCIES (1949 -1965)
If WWII was won with British intelligence, American steel and Russian blood, the empires of yore would be kept intact until the first biennium of the Eighties thanks to American intelligence and money and German blood and sweat.
Eisenhower and Stassen had inherited a delicate situation with the Truman administration. Helping Chiang Kai Shek had avoided a domino effect which could have spilled over into neighboring French Indochina, Thailand and Ba Maw’s State of Burma, but the British loss of India proved to be a difficult challenge, almost compromising London’s empire, but unlike his predecessor, Ike was less for self-determination, as demonstrated his acceptance of Ethiopia’s annexation of Italian Somalia and Eritrea; Americo-Indian relations were strained to say the least and while the United States had normalized relations with Bhose just as they had done with Sukarno, the membership of Portugal and France which guaranteed no further territorial concessions or modification, meaning their overseas exclaves were also guaranteed protection and soon Bhutan, Nepal and Afghanistan (which was enlisted by the British against Bhose and got compensated with Sind, Balochistan, Indian Pashtunistan, but failed to take Punjab) were safeguarded against Free India’s potential aggressions; following the resolution of the Chinese Civil War, the administration had another headache but more close to home : the Puerto Rican Revolt ; the unincorporated territory had exploded in anger after decades of occupation and the Puerto Rican Nationalist Party had taken advantage of the absence of the overwhelming majority of the National Guard that was yet to return from China and easily took over the island, demanding justice and freedom and Ike was undecided on how to properly react and before anyone could suggest a military intervention or a similar move Stassen argued to work out a deal with the PRNP , proposing to Puerto Rican inhabitants the choice of a referendum in which they could choose to be incorporated into the Union as a new state or indepedence but this last option would have also the obligation of Puerto Rico joining not only the Organization of American States but the PACCATO alliance as well.
Unsurprisingly with the PRNP control, most of their compatriots voted to be independent despite the catch of having to still be aligned with the United States even though de facto Puerto Rico wouldn’t even try to contribute anything significant during the Lukewarm War, but Eisenhower and Stassen had saved face for the time being. Their attention soon turned to the Philippines and British Malaya : both had to be dealt with quickly to show that Communism wouldn’t be tolerated ; so the United States Armed Forces in China were sent to those lands and brutally suppressed both rebellions with total media silence and by February 1951 both Communist Party of Malaya (CPM) and the Partido Komunista ng Pilipinas-1930 were nearly extinct and no longer a preoccupation for the Eisenhower administration, who by then had its attention returned its attention to Japan once more, Treaty of Peace with Japan in San Francisco being signed the 8th September 1951, with Eisenhower bitterly agreeing to it despite they had to recognize Soviet authority and claims over South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands while at the same time renouncing any idea of military bases in Japan.
It wasn’t long before another foreign issue came to Washington's attention, this time in Africa with the Mau Mau Uprising of the next year, with the administration reacting the same way they had done in British Malaya and the Philippines : with efficient brutality while supported by the “Germans of the French Foreign Legions”, former Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS personnel that now were footsoldiers, drill sergeants and other jobs in the French Colonial Empire.
It wasn’t all of a success for Ike however : the Central Intelligence Agency attempted regime changes in Egypt, Iran, Costa Rica, Guatemala and Paraguay had failed and it was clear as day that Washington D.C. wouldn’t always get its way; if that wasn’t enough, in 1955 the Buraimi dispute turned into a war between the US-friendly Saudia Arabia and PACCATO member United Kingdom, with the peace treaty granting the Aden Protectorate the previously lost by Yemen regions of Asir, Qunfudah,Al Bahah, Jizan and Najran, meanwhile the Trucial states got a land connection with Kuwait who would also get its claims validated and recognized; recently available documents clearly show that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia was the aggressor, but the threats made Saud bin Abdulaziz Al Saud regarding petrol had an effect of galvanizing the VP to promote energetic self sufficiency and started a program for using the power of the atom to achieve such goal.
In the last two months of the year it became evident of the instability of the French Republic, or so it seemed according to badly researched investigations and intelligence reports, probably exacerbated by the more often than not independent-minded French political class.
Stassen had to be convinced strongly it was utterly necessary to do something about the French Republic, especially because he had seen the miserable spectacles that were their past tries at interventions, rightfully pointing out their (reluctant) “allies” Spain and Portugal, who were also “recipients” of German veterans and American money, refused the help of their intelligence due to the pathetic failures that were the attempted topplings of King Farouk, Mossadegh and Arbenz which made the two Iberian autocracies realize that the Americans were incompetent in regard with espionage and counter-intelligence and had to be on their own.
Eisenhower was clear:
<< Unlike the Italians, where the far opposite sides of the political spectrum had found quid pro quos with the center, the French socio-political situation is volatile. >>
The Vice-President had unfortunately already used his political capital with Ike in persuading him to reply to Emmet Till’s mother's letter, a move that could have very well compromised his chance to become President.
<<I don’t want to put in charge people who shot our boys in France who sided with Hitler rather than their own countrymen >>
Eisenhower did agree with the sentiment and when Operation Gaul was enacted in the latter half of January 1956 the a rag-tag of military personnel of former Free French, whose first target after the government was none other than the man that had been their leader in wartime : De Gaulle. It is unclear how the Marshall of Free France met his untimely demise, but if reports from the Direction générale de la sécurité intérieure archives are not taken as pure speculation, he was tied, blindfolded and shot in the head, subsequently buried in the first pit found and many met an identical fate such as Minister of the Overseas François Mitterrand.
The Central Intelligence Agency and the “National Security Government” would give the same treatment to the opposite ends of the political spectrum : the Socialists lost Vincent Auriol, Daniel Mayer Guy Mollet and of the Communists only Waldeck Rochet didn’t meet the firing squad like Thorez, meanwhile former Axis collaborators like Jean-Louis Tixier-Vignancour either fled or got shot in the streets and the only surviving member of the French Action party was Georges-Paul Wagner unlike Pierre Boutang and others who would meet the guillotine in an almost tragi-comical repeat of history.
the “mois de silence” would be seen as a Robespierre-an and Stalin-esque show trials and purges but barely reported anywhere in the supposedly free world. Anyone who the government thought could potentially threaten the stability of the French Republic and her overseas territories was either on the government hit list or had been on the literal or metaphorical chopping block.
The new “French State” would serve the interests of PACCATO no matter who was in charge and effectively, with the exception of the nuclear program, the military governments of the “Période directoriale américaniste” were the Parisian puppet-like extensions of Washington D.C.
A first major (although diplomatic) victory against Moscow came with the 1956 Poznań protests, where a hundred thousands Polish protesters clashed against the Polish People's Army, Internal Security Corps and Służba Bezpieczeństwa, all commanded by none other than Anatol Fejgin on orders of Ministers of Internal Affairs of People's Republic of Poland Salomon Morel, former commander of the Zgoda labour camp and Jaworzno concentration camps, with him treating the protesters as “enemy insurgents and combatants” and the result was near chaos : over thirty-thousands protesters dead and nearly seven thousands wounded, but the government forces suffered eight-thousand dead and three hundred and half wounded, the consequences of this violent response was a full blown revolution due to word of mouth that grew so much that many Soviet and Polish military barracks got overpowered by massive waves of angry mobs, but the stroke that broke the camel's back was the execution of non-tenured professor of Catholic University of Lublin Karol Józef Wojtyła.
Soon, banners could be seen everywhere with written :
NIGDY WIĘCEJ! (NEVER AGAIN!)
PAMIĘTAJ WOJTYŁA! (REMEMBER WOJTYLA!)
Mikoyan was, understandably, livid. And panicking at the same time. Many wanted to invade to restore order, especially Molotov’s faction, but allegedly Zhukov had enough sway to convince Anastas that such action would compromise the public image of the Soviet Union.
Swallowing his pride, when Stassen proposed the USSR a neutral Poland, he accepted, but the Withdrawal Treaty that came with it had a couple of written clauses in which the Central European nation could not join any alliance and couldn’t ban the Polish United Workers' Party. The barely organized Polish revolutionary leadership, despite expressing enourmous outrage, accepted. As the last of Soviet soldiers and People’s Army withdrew, the Polish government-in-exile quickly flew and returned to Poland to organize the first (actually free) election of Poland in decades, with victory awarded to Tadeusz Bielecki with the promise of “NEVER AGAIN!”.
A transcript of a recording between an operative and Mikoyan reports the following :
From Nikolay [REDACTED]
“Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union Anastas Ivanovich Mikoyan, we lost Poland due to the brutal brainless machinations of Fejgin and Morel and I had told my superior that both were liabilities to the cause of the Communist International. Morel used methods which could only be described as butchery, I don’t think even the Fascists me and my comrades fought in the Great Patriotic War would go so low as them. It is no surprise that the Polish workers reacted as they did by defenestrating and impaling Fejgin and tearing apart Salomon.
I would advise a cautious approach from now on.”
As if a heart attack that hit Eisenhower in 1955 had not been enough, he and Stassen had to deal with the Civil Rights Movement, with the American Vice President strongly lobbying for much integration efforts, publicly declaring support for the U.S. Supreme Court decisions in Sweatt v. Painter (1950) McLaurin v. Oklahoma State Regents (1950) and Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka (1954), and pushed the general turned President to reply to Emmet Till’s mother’s letter, with Ike remarking later in life that Stassen was too much vocal and too partisan for being a second-in-command, expressing that he was surprised that they were both elected for two consecutive terms when “ everything Stassen did or said had the potential to compromise my presidency and his political future… I honestly don’t know what shocked me more, that he managed to win the primaries both times or that he won the elections in 1956 and 1960”.
They also had to constantly deal with the increasing Red Scare and McCarthyism, who “had the decency of dying of alcohol poisoning” shortly after the beginning of the Sputnik Crisis in December 1956.
When he was inaugurated, Stassen first priority was to understand why the Tech Gap was happening and set the Central Intelligence Agency to find out answers : with many operators of the bureau, it was discovered that the Soviets shortly before “liberating” Norway, the Low Countries and Germany had initiated Operation Osoaviakhim which wielded enormous results for the Soviet Union, not only as a bittersweet recompense but also to attempt to close the military gap Moscow had, with the hundreds of former Nazis experts helping Mikoyan’s Comintern to surpass the Americans in those fields in that period of time, later becoming the reason for legitimising and kickstarting the Comintern cybernetics camp.
Sergei Pavlovich Korolev couldn’t ask for better help in his projects than the Third Reich’s former employees, a sentiment shared by many of his colleagues and affiliates such as the mathematician Mstislav Keldysh and Igor Kurchatov, the latter bittersweetly remarking “We wouldn’t had the power of the atom so quickly if we hadn’t spilled so much blood to conquer Germany”.
The list the CIA recovered was enourmous :
Aeronautics and rocketry
Eugen Sänger
Hans Amtmann
Herbert Axster
Erich Ball
Oscar Bauschinger
Hermann Beduerftig
Rudi Beichel
Anton Beier
Herbert Bergeler
Magnus von Braun
Wernher von Braun
Ernst Czerlinsky
Theodor Buchhold
Walter Burose
Adolf Busemann
GN Constan
Werner Dahm
Konrad Dannenberg
Kurt H. Debus
Gerd De Beek
Walter Dornberger - head of rocket programme
Gerhard Drawe
Friedrich Duerr
Ernst R. G. Eckert
Rudolph Edse
Otto Eisenhardt
Krafft Arnold Ehricke
Alfred Finzel
Edward Fischel
Karl Fleischer
Anton Flettner
Anselm Franz
Herbert Fuhrmann
Ernst Geissler
Werner Gengelbach
Dieter Grau
Hans Gruene
Herbert Guendel
Fritz Haber
Heinz Haber
Karl Hager
Guenther Haukohl
Karl Heimburg
Emil Hellebrand
Gerhard B. Heller
Bruno Helm
Rudolf Hermann
Bruno Heusinger
Hans Heuter
Guenther Hintze
Sighard F. Hoerner
Kurt Hohenemser
Oscar Holderer
Helmut Horn
Hans Henning Hosenthien
Dieter Huzel
Walter Jacobi
Erich Kaschig
Ernst Klauss
Theodore Knacke
Siegfried Knemeyer
Heinz-Hermann Koelle
Gustav Kroll
Willi Kuberg
Werner Kuers
Hermann Kurzweg
Hermann Lange
Hans Lindenberg
Hans Lindenmayer
Alexander Martin Lippisch
Robert Lusser
Hans Maus
Helmut Merk
Joseph Michel
Hans Milde
Heinz Millinger
Rudolf Minning
William Mrazek
Hans Multhopp
Erich Neubert
Hans von Ohain
Robert Paetz
Hans Palaoro
Kurt Patt
Hans Paul
Fritz Pauli
Arnold Peter
Helmuth Pfaff
Theodor Poppel
Werner Rosinski
Heinrich Rothe
Ludwig Roth
Arthur Rudolph
Friedrich von Saurma
Edgar Schaeffer
Martin Schilling
Helmut Schlitt[
Albert Schuler
August Schulze
Walter Schwidetzky
Ernst Steinhoff
Wolfgang Steurer
Heinrich Struck
Ernst Stuhlinger
Bernhard Tessmann
Adolf Thiel
Georg von Tiesenhausen
Werner Tiller
JG Tschinkel
Arthur Urbanski
Fritz Vandersee
Richard Vogt
Werner Voss
Theodor Vowe
Herbert A. Wagner
Hermann Rudolf Wagner
Hermann Weidner
Georg Rickhey - director of the slave labour Mittelwerk factory
Walter Fritz Wiesemann
Philipp Wolfgang Zettler-Seidel
Architecture
Heinz Hilten and Hannes Luehrsen.
Electronics - including guidance systems, radar and satellites
Wilhelm Angele
Ernst Baars
Josef Boehm
Hans Fichtner
Hans Friedrich
Eduard Gerber
Georg Goubau
Walter Haeussermann
Otto Heinrich Hirschler
Otto Hoberg[
Rudolf Hoelker
Hans Hollmann
Helmut Hölzer
Horst Kedesdy
Kurt Lehovec
Kurt Lindner
JW Muehlner
Fritz Mueller
Johannes Plendl
Fritz Karl Preikschat
Eberhard Rees
Gerhard Reisig
Harry Ruppe
Heinz Schlicke
Werner Sieber[
Hans K. Ziegler
Material Science (high temperature)
Klaus Scheufelen
Medicine . biological weapons, chemical weapons, and space medicine
Theodor Benzinger, Rudolf Brill, Konrad Johannes Karl Büttner, Fritz Laves, Richard Lindenberg, Ulrich Cameron Luft, Walter Schreiber, Hubertus Strughold, Hans Georg Clamann, and Erich Traub.
Nuclear Program
Heinz Barwich
Ludwig Bewilogua
Erich Bagge
Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker
Max von Laue
Karl Wirtz
Karl-Hermann Geib
Peter Adolf Thiessen
Justus Mühlenpfordt
Nikolaus Riehl
Physics
Gunter Guttein,
Manfred von Ardenne
Gustav Ludwig Hertz
Gerhard Schwesinger
Gottfried Wehner
Helmut Weickmann and Friedwardt Winterberg.
Chemistry and Chemical engineering
Helmut Pichler
Leonard Alberts
Ernst Donath
Josef Guymer
Hans Schappert
Max Josenhaus
Kurt Bretschneider
Erich Frese
@ATP @Batrix2070 if you have any suggestion on what Poland and the rest of Central Europe? I am not sure I am going to do it besides maybe said countries allowing Radio Free Europe to be established in their soil. Not because I don't want but besides Poland having nukes the rest of 34 years of history or more would be a pain to elaborate even with sources.
A much more less messy version of the timeline I am working is here secretprojects.co.uk/threads/roter-rhein-krasnyy-reyn-what-if-the-axis-members-called-it-quits-in-early-1943.39475/
*Exams' grades in the Italian university system go from 0 to 30, but you are not gonna pass if your professor think you achieved less than 18 and unlike the Portuguese university system you cannot integrate or upgrade your grade in any way (like additional work) but just straight up repeat it to the next exam date.
