Oh, oops. I legit thought that was from their real news and not their satirical news.
Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread
- Thread starter Duke Nukem
- Start date
bintananth
behind a desk
Sometimes reality and satire are indistinguishable.Oh, oops. I legit thought that was from their real news and not their satirical news.
Elon Musk's declarations that he believes in absolute free speech contrast rather vividly with his thin skin over any criticism that directly targets himself or his pet projects. He recently posted on social media, doubling down on previous attacks on a Tesla FSD user for daring to (very mildly) criticize the software by declaring that it is "unfair" to publicly criticize the FSD features in any way whatsoever because they're a voluntary beta test. While he welcomes negative feedback, Musk says, that feedback should only be made via private channels.
Doomsought
Well-known member
Musk has thin skin, but I have never seen him take it beyond banter.
Musk might have thin skin... but he kinda has a point here?
The person chose to participate in a opt-in beta test. The entire POINT of a beta test is for users to find issues with and provide feedback to the company on the system they're testing. It's not the point to test the system and then turn around and publicly criticize the company for that system when... that system isn't actually finalized.
While the person certainly has the right to do that, depending on the specifics of how it was done could range from merely tasteless to outright immoral to potentially illegal*.
--------------
* It could end up libelous or be in violation of the contract regarding the beta
You have to be joking. All the guy said was that Tesla still has "much work to do" on refining FSD, which is not just mild but milquetoast as a criticism. There is absolutely no-fucking-way that could be remotely construed as libelous *or* tasteless, and Musk being so angry and offended over this demonstrates a truly astounding level of thin skin.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
So what specifically did Musk say?
His exact words, across two tweets, were:
"No. Let me make something clear: James contacted me directly to be included in *early* beta, which is only ~1000 cars, mostly employees. Early beta explicitly has issues or it would be rolled out widely, so publicly criticizing something he had asked for is wrong."
"Criticism, public or private, is welcome after we go to wide beta. Early beta has many known issues. The reason we release it to a limited number of cars is to discover unknown issues. "
Note that Tesla stopped requiring a non-disclosure agreement for FSD beta access as of this past Fall, so S'task's claim that criticism might be a "contract violation" is off the table entirely. This being the case, Musk's argument that the invitation-only early beta shouldn't be publicly criticized, as distinguished from the more broadly available wide beta, appears to be him getting very, very offended about violation of his own personal preference regarding feedback, and not anything that is either a widespread cultural norm or an agreed-upon contract provision.
Edit: IMO, if someone asked for early beta access and then posted a huge diatribe over how it's not ready and should be banned, then Elon's counter-argument would be pretty reasonable. But that's not what the critic said at all, and in context of what he actually said, Elon very much comes off as a thin skinned man-child throwing a temper tantrum because someone failed to kiss his ass over his favorite toy.
Last edited:
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I'm sorry, but if those words are what Musk actually said, his response is as milquetoast as you say the criticism of the limited Beta was.
That's not a temper tantrum. That's simply him saying 'he shouldn't have done that.' Any seeing that as being Elon acting like a 'man-child' is in your own mind, not in what was actually said.
FBI Only Makes Itself Look Worse When It Defends Itself Against Mark Zuckerberg's Hunter Laptop Claims
The FBI just made itself look more guilty.
redstate.com
bintananth
behind a desk
"I may greatly dislike what you are saying, but I'm willing to take a bullet so that you can say what you wish to say."
Bout damned time
"The Supreme Court has made it's decision; now let them enforce it."
As if the deep state will allow for any complaints to go forward. The judges below the SC will ignore their ruling and make their own precedents.
As if the deep state will allow for any complaints to go forward. The judges below the SC will ignore their ruling and make their own precedents.
I think this is an incredibly dangerous precedent to set, infringing dangerously on private property rights and setting the stage to bring back the horrible FCC "fairness doctrine” with an even broader scope than before.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
It just comes back to the platform/publisher divide.
If everything posted on Facebook is being said 'by facebook,' they absolutely have the right to censor what other people post on their website.
But then they're also legally liable for everything posted on their website.
If they don't want to be legally liable, then they're a platform, not a publisher, and they don't get to censor.
for way too long big tech has been allowed to play fast and loose with the rules now they have to deal with conquences.