Quest Deep Periphery Quest (Battletech Sandbox Empire Builder)
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namar13766
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[X] And? The worst that will happen is the Duc de Nouvelle Picardie sending a Very Angry Letter(™) to be read by an extremely bored Duc de Nouvelle Normandie while you both try very hard to pretend not to find it all hilariously funny
[X] And? The worst that will happen is the Duc de Nouvelle Picardie sending a Very Angry Letter(™) to be read by an extremely bored Duc de Nouvelle Normandie while you both try very hard to pretend not to find it all hilariously funny
darkcloudt2
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[X] And? The worst that will happen is the Duc de Nouvelle Picardie sending a Very Angry Letter(™) to be read by an extremely bored Duc de Nouvelle Normandie while you both try very hard to pretend not to find it all hilariously funny
Thors_Alumni
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[X] And? The worst that will happen is the Duc de Nouvelle Picardie sending a Very Angry Letter(™) to be read by an extremely bored Duc de Nouvelle Normandie while you both try very hard to pretend not to find it all hilariously funny
Winter_Wind45
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[X] And? The worst that will happen is the Duc de Nouvelle Picardie sending a Very Angry Letter(™) to be read by an extremely bored Duc de Nouvelle Normandie while you both try very hard to pretend not to find it all hilariously funny
GooseElite
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[X]And? The worst that will happen is the Duc de Nouvelle Picardie sending a Very Angry Letter(™) to be read by an extremely bored Duc de Nouvelle Normandie while you both try very hard to pretend not to find it all hilariously funny
foolswriter
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[X] And?
[X] Hold cultural festival
[X] Hold cultural festival
All humor over the Duc de Nouvelle Ass aside, I feel like this is a bizarro land response compared to the way RL intersex athletes are treated for having a completely natural biological condition that isn't even scientifically proven to have any statistically significant performance effect at all, versus an artificially engineered condition that is massively performance enhancing to the point where no one else can compete.
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Spoiler cut for a pile of biology geekery. The TL;DR is that wwhile it is of course well-understood that testosterone supplementation is performance-enhancing, there is (surprisingly) a distinct lack of evidence that higher levels of natural testosterone are performance-enhancing.
When intersex athletes were placed on the same testosterone level restrictions as transgender athletes, this was challenged in court as having no basis in fact; the International Olympic Committee (to its own surprise) was forced to concede that it had no evidence that higher natural testosterone gave an unfair competitive advantage, as this had simply always been assumed true in the context of transgender athletes, and the court placed a moratorium on enforcement of the new rules until the IOC was able to provide evidence.
The evidence the IOC ultimately presented was incredibly thin; it was a mathematical survey analysis of performance versus blood testosterone level across all Olympic sports, only showed disparities when comparing the highest tertile to the lowest tertile. In other words, the athletes were divided into three groups of equal size rather than grouping athletes that had "restricted" T levels versus 'typical' and 'below typical' levels. The high-testosterone third had narrowly higher performance than the lowest-testosterone third, but neither group was significantly different than the middle-third. Out of all Olympic women's sports, only five showed any statistically significant disparity between groups, and that disparity was minimal: less than a 3% difference in all but one sport, with the outlier being 4.5%. There was no statistically significant disparity on the basis of testosterone in men's sports, aside from the curious finding that all male Olympians in all throwing sports had substantially lower testosterone levels than male Olympians in all other sports -- not just the winners, but all Olympians in those sports across the board.
Nonetheless, the court ruled that as long as the IOC had the slightest shred of evidence (which it previously did not!), it could make any rules it saw fit, even in the sports where the study found no evidence of a competitive advantage.
Edit: Just to explicitly highlight, the most glaring flaw in this study is that they not only did not exclude, but did not separately analyze athletes who were found to be doping. In other words, the study design literally makes it impossible to determine whether the "superior" performance of the high-testosterone tertile was actually the female athletes who were doping with T, the female athletes who had abnormally high natural T levels, or even just the female athletes who were within typical T ranges, but were grouped into the high tertile. For that matter, any actual transgender female athletes would have been in the middle or low tertile, because they were not allowed to compete without being under suppression; only intersex female athletes were exempt.
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Spoiler cut for a pile of biology geekery. The TL;DR is that wwhile it is of course well-understood that testosterone supplementation is performance-enhancing, there is (surprisingly) a distinct lack of evidence that higher levels of natural testosterone are performance-enhancing.
When intersex athletes were placed on the same testosterone level restrictions as transgender athletes, this was challenged in court as having no basis in fact; the International Olympic Committee (to its own surprise) was forced to concede that it had no evidence that higher natural testosterone gave an unfair competitive advantage, as this had simply always been assumed true in the context of transgender athletes, and the court placed a moratorium on enforcement of the new rules until the IOC was able to provide evidence.
The evidence the IOC ultimately presented was incredibly thin; it was a mathematical survey analysis of performance versus blood testosterone level across all Olympic sports, only showed disparities when comparing the highest tertile to the lowest tertile. In other words, the athletes were divided into three groups of equal size rather than grouping athletes that had "restricted" T levels versus 'typical' and 'below typical' levels. The high-testosterone third had narrowly higher performance than the lowest-testosterone third, but neither group was significantly different than the middle-third. Out of all Olympic women's sports, only five showed any statistically significant disparity between groups, and that disparity was minimal: less than a 3% difference in all but one sport, with the outlier being 4.5%. There was no statistically significant disparity on the basis of testosterone in men's sports, aside from the curious finding that all male Olympians in all throwing sports had substantially lower testosterone levels than male Olympians in all other sports -- not just the winners, but all Olympians in those sports across the board.
Nonetheless, the court ruled that as long as the IOC had the slightest shred of evidence (which it previously did not!), it could make any rules it saw fit, even in the sports where the study found no evidence of a competitive advantage.
Edit: Just to explicitly highlight, the most glaring flaw in this study is that they not only did not exclude, but did not separately analyze athletes who were found to be doping. In other words, the study design literally makes it impossible to determine whether the "superior" performance of the high-testosterone tertile was actually the female athletes who were doping with T, the female athletes who had abnormally high natural T levels, or even just the female athletes who were within typical T ranges, but were grouped into the high tertile. For that matter, any actual transgender female athletes would have been in the middle or low tertile, because they were not allowed to compete without being under suppression; only intersex female athletes were exempt.
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IceWing_mk1
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You are aware that, by the time you have a strategic need requiring emergency infrastructure, it's too late to pre-position emergency infrastructure.
Of course.
In no way was I suggesting that this would be a tool to meet IMMEDIATE tactical needs. It's a tool so that we can access strategic materials in 'dead' systems, or something that allows us to place a deep space naval facility.
My point was more that I don't want us to see this as a way to inhabit EVERY system we run across no matter what's there. There MUST be a strategic necessity that requires this setup so that we can exploit said necessity.
IceWing_mk1
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You don't want to put them into every system while there are other systems that make more sense to colonize\inhabit with traditional colonies... But, once we've got all the other colonies operating at a net profit, then there's no reason NOT to start deploying those stations.
Jarow
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[X]And? The worst that will happen is the Duc de Nouvelle Picardie sending a Very Angry Letter(™) to be read by an extremely bored Duc de Nouvelle Normandie while you both try very hard to pretend not to find it all hilariously funny
Don't care that much about their opinion.
[X] Plan: Continuing Pattern
-[X] Procurement [$ 252,502,321,683.77 ]
--[X] Lay Down Major Unit [Construction - $3,196,478,700.00 ] (95)
---[X] 200 Bainbridge [95]
---[X] 20 Wright [95]
---[X] 4 Trenton [95]
---[X] 30 Saipan [95]
---[X] 32 Aetna [95]
---[X] 16 Meteor [95]
---[X] 32 Canopus [95]
--[X] Lay down Jumpship [Jumpship Construction - $74,560,216.80 ] (90)
---[X] 8 Windjammer [90]
--[X] Lay down Warship [Warship Construction - $11,638,300,300.00 ] (90)
---[X] 20 Dido*
---[X] 10 Guiseppe Garibaldi*
---[X] 20 Prinz Eugen*
---[X] 20 Prinz Eugen*
---[X] 40 Fubuki [90]
---[X] 40 Lyr [90]
---[X] 20 Dido [90]
---[X] 10 Hosho [90]
---[X] 20 Prinz Eugen [90]
--[X] Purchase New Units [Minor Unit - $425,494,173.21 ] (90)
---[X] 0 Fighter Wing [auto]
---[X] 30 Heavy Carrier Wing [90]
---[X] 30 Fleet Defense Wing [90]
---[X] 30 Naval Patrol Wing [90]
---[X] 3 Infantry Division [90]
---[X] 8 Garrison Division [90]
---[X] 9 Militia Division [90]
---[X] 3 Battlemech Division [90]
--[X] Fortress Command [$ 237,249,946,400.00 ] (90)
---[X] Build Jump Point Defenses
----[X] Steingarten [90]
----[X] Pustina [90]
----[X] Kurortas [90]
---[X] Construct Silver Tower
----[X] Bohren [90]
(After this got destroyed, it needs to get rebuilt, and I forgot to add it last turn)
---[X] Construct Oasis II
----[X] Steingarten [90]
----[X] Pustina [90]
----[X] Kurortas [90]
----[X] Nowy Wroclaw [90]
---[X] Construct Black Tower
----[X] Steingarten [90]
----[X] Awha [90]
----[X] Bohren [90]
----[X] Kaiyo [90]
----[X] Olej [90]
-[X] General [$ 498,331,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Focus Development on Core World New Capricorn [85]
--[X] Focus Development on Peripheral World Nox [85]
--[X] Massive Core Investment New Pollux [80]
--[X] Massive Peripheral Investment Nox [80]
--[X] Economic Investment Nya Kopenhamn [90]
(Money!)
--[X] Expand Civil Service [80]
(More actions. Probably the last I'll do for a while though, getting expensive with not much action economy stress)
--[X] Expand Colonial Office (per level) [75]
(Probably unneeded, but better safe than sorry)
--[X] Expand High Security Prison - Griff's Leap [90]
(We're expanding pretty quickly, it's not a bad idea to preemptively make sure this is big enough)
--[X] Survey GX-F21 [80]
(No idea if this is a good system or not, but I had an action and it looked interesting on the map)
--[X] Establish Colony - Steingarten [80]
--[X] Establish System Government - Steingarten [80]
--[X] Establish Legal System - Steingarten [80]
--[X] Establish Colony - Pustina [80]
--[X] Establish System Government - Pustina [80]
--[X] Establish Legal System - Pustina [80]
--[X] Establish Colony - Kurortas [80]
--[X] Establish System Government - Kurortas [80]
--[X] Establish Legal System - Kurortas [80]
(Colonies make money and people, always a good thing)
--[X] Expand Orbital Shipyards [105]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Bohren [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Iskra [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Stahlfurt [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Nox [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Chuma [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Bari [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Glorreich [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Pryymenyy [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Novolar [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Grand View [90]
--[X] Expand DURF* [60]
--[X] Upgrade All DHS Factories [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Endosteel Forges [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Ferro Fibrous Forges [90]
--[X] Build New Orbital Factory (90)
---[X] 5 DHS Factory [90]
---[X] 5 Endosteel Factory [90]
---[X] 5 Ferro Fibrous Factory [90]
---[X] 5 Naval Armor Factory [90]
(Resources are needed)
--[X] Construct Conventional Military Factory (90)
---[X] 5 Glorreich [90]
---[X] 5 Novolar [90]
---[X] 5 New Phoenix [90]
---[X] 5 New Pollux [90]
(Might as well work towards another unit of production)
--[X] Construct Military Logistics Factory (95)
---[X] 5 Griffon [95]
---[X] 5 Nowa Warszawa [95]
---[X] 5 Calliope [95]
---[X] 5 Edelsteine [95]
(We have a lot of free factory space on these planets, might as well use some)
--[X] Upgrade Germanium Processing Facilities [95]
(No need to let this get stressed if avoidable)
--[X] Upgrade Refit & Repair Yard [105]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Nowy Wroclaw [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard New Pollux [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Kainga [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Edelsteine [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Nya Kopenhamn [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard New Phoenix [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Calliope [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Griffon [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Okusawa* [90]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard New Port Royal* [90]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard New Castor* [90]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard New Capricorn* [90]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Nowa Warzsawa* [90]
-[X] DoME [$ 136,000,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Study Venenatus Ecosystem [->2]
(Eventually will let us get a new colony)
--[X] Terraforming Bari - Stage 2 [->4]
--[X] Terraforming Pieklo - Stage 1 [->4]
--[X] Terraform Awha - Stage 1 [->4]
--[X] Terraform Iskra - Stage 1 [->4]
--[X] Terraform Kaiyo - Stage 1 [->4]
(Bring several systems closer to fully livable)
--[X] Expand R&D Complex on Core System Calliope [70]
(Lots of free factory space and the action is quick)
--[X] Colonize Shin Tōkyō* [->2]
--[X] Construct Major Army Base - Glorreich* [->1]
--[X] Construct Major Army Base - Novolar* [->1]
--[X] Construct Major Fleet Base - Glorreich* [80]
--[X] Construct Major Fleet Base - Novolar* [80]
--[X] Planetary Optimization (Peripheral) - Pinball* [80]
-[X] Research [$ 511,020,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Advanced Compact Core Construction VI* [->2]
--[X] Advanced Compact Core Design VI* [->2]
--[X] Advanced Compact Core Theory VI* [->2]
--[X] High Energy Physics (Advanced) Tier 6 [90]
(Gets us closer to more clantech, possibly including CERML)
--[X] Advanced Ground Combat Doctrine* [->1]
--[X] Improved Germanium Refining Lvl 3* [->1]
--[X] Advanced Double Heat Sinks* [->2]
--[X] Advanced Sensors* [->2]
--[X] Commercial R&D [-]
--[X] Industrial R&D [-]
-[X] Culture [$ 1,250,000,000 ]
--[X] Culture - Cultural Festival [75]
(You all wanted this, and it is probably worth the cost)
Only 44b leftover, which is probably less than I'd like, but the numbers seem reasonable. Hope tax rate works out well next turn.
Don't care that much about their opinion.
[X] Plan: Continuing Pattern
-[X] Procurement [$ 252,502,321,683.77 ]
--[X] Lay Down Major Unit [Construction - $3,196,478,700.00 ] (95)
---[X] 200 Bainbridge [95]
---[X] 20 Wright [95]
---[X] 4 Trenton [95]
---[X] 30 Saipan [95]
---[X] 32 Aetna [95]
---[X] 16 Meteor [95]
---[X] 32 Canopus [95]
--[X] Lay down Jumpship [Jumpship Construction - $74,560,216.80 ] (90)
---[X] 8 Windjammer [90]
--[X] Lay down Warship [Warship Construction - $11,638,300,300.00 ] (90)
---[X] 20 Dido*
---[X] 10 Guiseppe Garibaldi*
---[X] 20 Prinz Eugen*
---[X] 20 Prinz Eugen*
---[X] 40 Fubuki [90]
---[X] 40 Lyr [90]
---[X] 20 Dido [90]
---[X] 10 Hosho [90]
---[X] 20 Prinz Eugen [90]
--[X] Purchase New Units [Minor Unit - $425,494,173.21 ] (90)
---[X] 0 Fighter Wing [auto]
---[X] 30 Heavy Carrier Wing [90]
---[X] 30 Fleet Defense Wing [90]
---[X] 30 Naval Patrol Wing [90]
---[X] 3 Infantry Division [90]
---[X] 8 Garrison Division [90]
---[X] 9 Militia Division [90]
---[X] 3 Battlemech Division [90]
--[X] Fortress Command [$ 237,249,946,400.00 ] (90)
---[X] Build Jump Point Defenses
----[X] Steingarten [90]
----[X] Pustina [90]
----[X] Kurortas [90]
---[X] Construct Silver Tower
----[X] Bohren [90]
(After this got destroyed, it needs to get rebuilt, and I forgot to add it last turn)
---[X] Construct Oasis II
----[X] Steingarten [90]
----[X] Pustina [90]
----[X] Kurortas [90]
----[X] Nowy Wroclaw [90]
---[X] Construct Black Tower
----[X] Steingarten [90]
----[X] Awha [90]
----[X] Bohren [90]
----[X] Kaiyo [90]
----[X] Olej [90]
-[X] General [$ 498,331,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Focus Development on Core World New Capricorn [85]
--[X] Focus Development on Peripheral World Nox [85]
--[X] Massive Core Investment New Pollux [80]
--[X] Massive Peripheral Investment Nox [80]
--[X] Economic Investment Nya Kopenhamn [90]
(Money!)
--[X] Expand Civil Service [80]
(More actions. Probably the last I'll do for a while though, getting expensive with not much action economy stress)
--[X] Expand Colonial Office (per level) [75]
(Probably unneeded, but better safe than sorry)
--[X] Expand High Security Prison - Griff's Leap [90]
(We're expanding pretty quickly, it's not a bad idea to preemptively make sure this is big enough)
--[X] Survey GX-F21 [80]
(No idea if this is a good system or not, but I had an action and it looked interesting on the map)
--[X] Establish Colony - Steingarten [80]
--[X] Establish System Government - Steingarten [80]
--[X] Establish Legal System - Steingarten [80]
--[X] Establish Colony - Pustina [80]
--[X] Establish System Government - Pustina [80]
--[X] Establish Legal System - Pustina [80]
--[X] Establish Colony - Kurortas [80]
--[X] Establish System Government - Kurortas [80]
--[X] Establish Legal System - Kurortas [80]
(Colonies make money and people, always a good thing)
--[X] Expand Orbital Shipyards [105]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Bohren [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Iskra [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Stahlfurt [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Nox [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Chuma [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Bari [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Glorreich [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Pryymenyy [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Novolar [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Grand View [90]
--[X] Expand DURF* [60]
--[X] Upgrade All DHS Factories [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Endosteel Forges [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Ferro Fibrous Forges [90]
--[X] Build New Orbital Factory (90)
---[X] 5 DHS Factory [90]
---[X] 5 Endosteel Factory [90]
---[X] 5 Ferro Fibrous Factory [90]
---[X] 5 Naval Armor Factory [90]
(Resources are needed)
--[X] Construct Conventional Military Factory (90)
---[X] 5 Glorreich [90]
---[X] 5 Novolar [90]
---[X] 5 New Phoenix [90]
---[X] 5 New Pollux [90]
(Might as well work towards another unit of production)
--[X] Construct Military Logistics Factory (95)
---[X] 5 Griffon [95]
---[X] 5 Nowa Warszawa [95]
---[X] 5 Calliope [95]
---[X] 5 Edelsteine [95]
(We have a lot of free factory space on these planets, might as well use some)
--[X] Upgrade Germanium Processing Facilities [95]
(No need to let this get stressed if avoidable)
--[X] Upgrade Refit & Repair Yard [105]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Nowy Wroclaw [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard New Pollux [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Kainga [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Edelsteine [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Nya Kopenhamn [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard New Phoenix [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Calliope [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Griffon [->1]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Okusawa* [90]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard New Port Royal* [90]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard New Castor* [90]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard New Capricorn* [90]
--[X] Construct Large Warship Yard Nowa Warzsawa* [90]
-[X] DoME [$ 136,000,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Study Venenatus Ecosystem [->2]
(Eventually will let us get a new colony)
--[X] Terraforming Bari - Stage 2 [->4]
--[X] Terraforming Pieklo - Stage 1 [->4]
--[X] Terraform Awha - Stage 1 [->4]
--[X] Terraform Iskra - Stage 1 [->4]
--[X] Terraform Kaiyo - Stage 1 [->4]
(Bring several systems closer to fully livable)
--[X] Expand R&D Complex on Core System Calliope [70]
(Lots of free factory space and the action is quick)
--[X] Colonize Shin Tōkyō* [->2]
--[X] Construct Major Army Base - Glorreich* [->1]
--[X] Construct Major Army Base - Novolar* [->1]
--[X] Construct Major Fleet Base - Glorreich* [80]
--[X] Construct Major Fleet Base - Novolar* [80]
--[X] Planetary Optimization (Peripheral) - Pinball* [80]
-[X] Research [$ 511,020,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Advanced Compact Core Construction VI* [->2]
--[X] Advanced Compact Core Design VI* [->2]
--[X] Advanced Compact Core Theory VI* [->2]
--[X] High Energy Physics (Advanced) Tier 6 [90]
(Gets us closer to more clantech, possibly including CERML)
--[X] Advanced Ground Combat Doctrine* [->1]
--[X] Improved Germanium Refining Lvl 3* [->1]
--[X] Advanced Double Heat Sinks* [->2]
--[X] Advanced Sensors* [->2]
--[X] Commercial R&D [-]
--[X] Industrial R&D [-]
-[X] Culture [$ 1,250,000,000 ]
--[X] Culture - Cultural Festival [75]
(You all wanted this, and it is probably worth the cost)
Only 44b leftover, which is probably less than I'd like, but the numbers seem reasonable. Hope tax rate works out well next turn.
Yacovo
Occasionally spouting nonsense
[X]And? The worst that will happen is the Duc de Nouvelle Picardie sending a Very Angry Letter(™) to be read by an extremely bored Duc de Nouvelle Normandie while you both try very hard to pretend not to find it all hilariously funny
[X] Plan: Continuing Pattern
So we’re just going to blobbing until we hit the Near Periphery, another power, or finally find a Black Steel base? That is acceptable, though I hope we see some ground combat soon, just to test the toys we have in the closet.
[X] Plan: Continuing Pattern
So we’re just going to blobbing until we hit the Near Periphery, another power, or finally find a Black Steel base? That is acceptable, though I hope we see some ground combat soon, just to test the toys we have in the closet.
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darkcloudt2
Well-known member
[X] Plan: Continuing Pattern