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Circle of Willis

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The Whispering Monk

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You don't have to delete it. That message is necessary.

It was just in such stark contrast to the previously funny memes about SCOTUS, that it was like walking through straight into a cold shower from 100 degree sunlight.
 

Bear Ribs

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Show me public schools which allowed Muslim teahcers to pray in front of their classes, because I have not seen anything like your claim about Muslims.
Lemme do one better, how about public schools forcing all students to pray to Allah and sacrifice something they like for Ramadan?

 

Bacle

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Lemme do one better, how about public schools forcing all students to pray to Allah and sacrifice something they like for Ramadan?

Ok, did that case get appealed any higher, and can you point to any other schools allowing the same outside Cali?

Because yeah, that teacher overstretched the definition of 'role-play for educational purposes' and the judge (being in Cali) seems to have let it slide. Which is clear violation of the Establishment Clause, but this was during the 'don't be mean to Muslim's and we must learn about them" phase after 9/11, so not surprised.

However, this sort of isolated incident shows why we need the Establishment Clause, and why learning about religion should be done at church or at home.
 

Bear Ribs

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Ok, did that case get appealed any higher, and can you point to any other schools allowing the same outside Cali?
That is one hell of a goalpost move from your initial position of "Can you even show any schools that allow Muslim teachers to pray." I thought better of you than that. And yes, it was appealed.

Because yeah, that teacher overstretched the definition of 'role-play for educational purposes' and the judge (being in Cali) seems to have let it slide. Which is clear violation of the Establishment Clause, but this was during the 'don't be mean to Muslim's and we must learn about them" phase after 9/11, so not surprised.

However, this sort of isolated incident shows why we need the Establishment Clause, and why learning about religion should be done at church or at home.
Ah, isolated incident you say?

How about public schools (Five of them in this example alone) installing special prayer rooms for Muslims on the taxpayer dollar?

Oh look, not so isolated.

More Muslime prayer in schools:

But the Pledge of Allegiance is verboten, it includes the word "God" and that's enough to be establishing a religion.
 

Bacle

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That is one hell of a goalpost move from your initial position of "Can you even show any schools that allow Muslim teachers to pray." I thought better of you than that. And yes, it was appealed.
A single instance a trend does not make, and what was the result of the appeal?

It's not shifting goal posts, it's trying to find out the scope and spread of the situation, because this was the first I had seen anything like this.

Ah, isolated incident you say?

How about public schools (Five of them in this example alone) installing special prayer rooms for Muslims on the taxpayer dollar?

Oh look, not so isolated.

More Muslime prayer in schools:

But the Pledge of Allegiance is verboten, it includes the word "God" and that's enough to be establishing a religion.
Well, in the first link, it is about allowing prayer rooms for Muslim students. Not great that public funds went to those, but it is not teachers leading or reciting prayers in classrooms with the general student body. Thus, it does not really violate the Establishment Clause to simply allow them to pray, if teachers are not leading it; the whole specific room for it might run afoul of the Establishment Clause, though.

Second link...the situation was resolved when people complained about it, but the site also says that Islam is a 'homosexual lobby' which seems like...not really in touch with reality. This link actually showed why it is important to push back on this stuff no matter the religion, because the Establishment Clause does not allow the gov to show favor to any religion. Also, fuck the CAIR; those cunts are the same people who got Omar elected/installed.

Third link is...well, that's Canada; US Constitution doesn't apply up there, so it's moot to use it in regards to the Establishment Clause.

Forth link...yeah, that one was rightly decided; forcing kids to say 'under God' is an endorsement of a particular religious view, and does violate the Establishment Clause.

Just because a few schools caved to pressure from Islamic communities does not invalidate the Establishment Clause, and in fact shows why it needs harsher, stricter enforcement regardless of the religion in question.
 

Bear Ribs

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A single instance a trend does not make, and what was the result of the appeal? It's not shifting goal posts, it's trying to find out the scope and spread of the situation, because this was the first I had seen anything like this.
The Muslim Prayer is school was upheld of course.

We started here:
Show me public schools which allowed Muslim teahcers to pray in front of their classes, because I have not seen anything like your claim about Muslims.
And as soon as you were shown evidence, you started demanding more because now it's suddenly about "the scope and spread" rather than being shown at all. That is, in fact, a goalpost move.

And really, a single instance? You had three by the post you were quoting even discounting my error in linking to Canada.

Well, in the first link, it is about allowing prayer rooms for Muslim students. Not great that public funds went to those, but it is not teachers leading or reciting prayers in classrooms with the general student body. Thus, it does not really violate the Establishment Clause to simply allow them to pray, if teachers are not leading it; the whole specific room for it might run afoul of the Establishment Clause, though.

Second link...the situation was resolved when people complained about it, but the site also says that Islam is a 'homosexual lobby' which seems like...not really in touch with reality. This link actually showed why it is important to push back on this stuff no matter the religion, because the Establishment Clause does not allow the gov to show favor to any religion. Also, fuck the CAIR; those cunts are the same people who got Omar elected/installed.

Third link is...well, that's Canada; US Constitution doesn't apply up there, so it's moot to use it in regards to the Establishment Clause.
My mistake, got the wrong link. I meant to use this one:

But a simple search yields so many results its unsurprising I mixed up some tabs. Here, have a bonus of another public school forcing children to recite Muslim prayers, this one Shahada or the Islamic conversion prayer.


Or more special spaces for Muslim prayer set aside:


I mean, even freaking Snopes couldn't help but give this a mixed rating and admit it was "Troubling."

Just because a few schools caved to pressure from Islamic communities does not invalidate the Establishment Clause, and in fact shows why it needs harsher, stricter enforcement regardless of the religion in question.
So how many will you be satisfied with? You've been given half a dozen examples all over the country already.
 

Bacle

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The Muslim Prayer is school was upheld of course.

We started here:
And as soon as you were shown evidence, you started demanding more because now it's suddenly about "the scope and spread" rather than being shown at all. That is, in fact, a goalpost move.
I had not seen it before, you gave one example, when I asked to see more information about it and other exampled to show it was not an isolated situation, and you are calling it a goalpost move because you are trying to clown on me, not inform.

Also, please provide a link to show how it was appealed and what court ruled on the appeal and what their reasoning was.

Because, as I pointed out, allowing Muslim students to pray does not violate the Establishment Clause; teachers leading it or forcing other student to participate does. Building separate prayer rooms may be a violation of the Establishment Clause, though, and that needs to be looked at.
And really, a single instance? You had three by the post you were quoting even discounting my error in linking to Canada.

My mistake, got the wrong link. I meant to use this one:

But a simple search yields so many results its unsurprising I mixed up some tabs. Here, have a bonus of another public school forcing children to recite Muslim prayers, this one Shahada or the Islamic conversion prayer.


Or more special spaces for Muslim prayer set aside:


I mean, even freaking Snopes couldn't help but give this a mixed rating and admit it was "Troubling."

So how many will you be satisfied with? You've been given half a dozen examples all over the country already.
Well first, I read through that links on the posts you put up, and it seems the main complaint(s) is/are that the kids are learning things about Islamic prayers as part of history classes, or that Muslim students are being given newly built 'prayer rooms' at certain schools. The titles of those links often seem to overblow what actually happened, when you actually parse the facts from the rhetoric in the articles.

It does seem a few teachers were trying to 'role-play' their Islamic history part of the history class, or districts allowed things like the CAIR to push things that violate the Establishment Clause, and were rightly rebuffed.

So hardly trying to 'force' kids to recite Islamic prayers for religious reasons, more learning about Islam as a culture in history classes, and a few people taking it too far.

Outside your Cali example, which I still want to see the stuff around the appeal about, the rest were instances that got shutdown pretty fast and definitely got pushback. Which they should have, because the Establishment Clause is meant so the US gov does not get to play favorites with any religion.

Many of the links you provided tried to conflate allowing Muslim students to pray in school, with the teachers/school endorsing the religion/pushing it on others in a way that violates the Establishment Clause, and that is not how the Establishment Clause works. Building prayer rooms specifically for Muslim students might violate the Establishment Clause, and would be something that probably crosses the line, if SCOTUS ever weighed in on it, but simply allowing Muslim students to pray in school is not a violation.
 

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