Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

TheRejectionist

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Yeah, last time i heard some quaker tried to disarm Saudi Arabias jet in Britain. Didn't end well. They're still selling those. How they say? Money don't stink

Well, someone didn't get killed in Yemen (or elsewhere), the guys as far as I remember didn't get 1 or 10 tens in jail.

If we were in Syria, " I wouldn't let him marry my daughter but money has no religion".
 

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In short term - efficient.In long term,you are helped incopetent monsters and your weapons get to China/Russia ,becouse they either sell it to them,or lost.
That's why no one sane sells them the good stuff (tm). You sell them outdated generation stuff and monkey models, stuff that's not worth copying for Russia and China because they already have similar technology.
Saudis are enemies of our cyvilisation,supporting them in any way hurt us long term.
No more than all their neighbors. Meanwhile their more competent neighbors combined with Saudi's oil may turn into actually dangerous enemies, so its smart to keep those separate.
 

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That's why no one sane sells them the good stuff (tm). You sell them outdated generation stuff and monkey models, stuff that's not worth copying for Russia and China because they already have similar technology.

No more than all their neighbors. Meanwhile their more competent neighbors combined with Saudi's oil may turn into actually dangerous enemies, so its smart to keep those separate.

1.True
2.Not all muslims must be our enemies,/iranian and turks follow rather their national interests then religion/ but Saudi are wahabbities - they must be our enemies becouse of their version of islam.
 

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2.Not all muslims must be our enemies,/iranian and turks follow rather their national interests then religion/ but Saudi are wahabbities - they must be our enemies becouse of their version of islam.
You're 40 years in the past there. Turks, you were right when they were ruled by Kemalists, now they are not, and Muslim Brotherhood is getting a lot of say there.
Saudis are Wahabi friendly monarchy, but Iran is officially a Shia theocracy, complete with separate military organizations loyal to the supreme clerical authorities. Nationalists have some say, but they obviously are not in charge.
Ironically, this is what made Saudis become a US client recently- the royal family got scared enough of getting purged as heretics by their neighbor to not support Sunni crazy in the west and go along with the west for realpolitik reasons because no one else can protect them.
 

BlackDragon98

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You know what black people are being enslaved by gulf coast Arab countries right now so why are we catching heat for shit that's a over a century in the past while current slave owners get a free pass?
Most of the slaves are from Libya, a country which Obama bombed into a mess after he decided that forcibly removing the Gaddafi regime from power was a good idea.

Now the place is in a state of anarchy.

Funny thing is, the Liberals never talk about this stuff. A black American president causing a country to become a haven for trafficking of black Africans.
 

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Most of the slaves are from Libya, a country which Obama bombed into a mess after he decided that forcibly removing the Gaddafi regime from power was a good idea.

Now the place is in a state of anarchy.

Funny thing is, the Liberals never talk about this stuff. A black American president causing a country to become a haven for trafficking of black Africans.
Favors were called in for that one a few eu countries wanted him gone and we owed them one.
 

CockyVampire67

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There is also the "didn't think it through" aspect.
If Britain, or even all western countries accepted that argument and didn't sell Saudis any weapons, what would they do?
Become pacifist? Of course not, they would go shopping in Russia and China instead.
Not only they would be about as good at doing whatever they are doing, but the west's other also not very nice enemies would also get richer in the process.
Much smort, super effective, pacifism clever.

You'd think if Britain wouldn't sell weapons to Saudi Arabia, it would also then make so Saudi Arabia won't be able to buy any kind of weapons in the future.

Most of the slaves are from Libya, a country which Obama bombed into a mess after he decided that forcibly removing the Gaddafi regime from power was a good idea.



Now the place is in a state of anarchy.



Funny thing is, the Liberals never talk about this stuff. A black American president causing a country to become a haven for trafficking of black Africans.



I'd argue that Kaddafi had it coming for him. The man was crazy, just watch his UN rants. And how he talked about terrorism. He painted a giant target on his back, no surprise US decided to take advantage of that generous offer and hop onto the hype train.


Funny thing is, the Liberals never talk about this stuff. A black American president causing a country to become a haven for trafficking of black Africans.

This is very indirect reasoning. You can say same thing about Trump, that he's a culprit of a disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal deal, while in reality most of the current failings with it would have been and is a fault of Sleepy Joe.
 
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BlackDragon98

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I'd argue that Kaddafi had it coming for him. The man was crazy, just watch his UN rants. And how he talked about terrorism. He painted a giant target on his back, no surprise US decided to take advantage of that generous offer and hop onto the hype train.
He and Saddam flipped off the Cabal one time too many and the Cabal decided to yeet them.
 

ATP

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You're 40 years in the past there. Turks, you were right when they were ruled by Kemalists, now they are not, and Muslim Brotherhood is getting a lot of say there.
Saudis are Wahabi friendly monarchy, but Iran is officially a Shia theocracy, complete with separate military organizations loyal to the supreme clerical authorities. Nationalists have some say, but they obviously are not in charge.
Ironically, this is what made Saudis become a US client recently- the royal family got scared enough of getting purged as heretics by their neighbor to not support Sunni crazy in the west and go along with the west for realpolitik reasons because no one else can protect them.

Saudi still prosecute and murder christian for being christian,when Iran do not did such things.And it happens now,not 40 years ago.If USA are happy with such client,then they should stop meddling in polish affairs.We do not kill anybody becouse of religion.
It seems ,that USA demand something only from Christian countries.Maybe we all should seek new overlord in China?
USA overlord is silly.
 

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You'd think if Britain wouldn't sell weapons to Saudi Arabia, it would also then make so Saudi Arabia won't be able to buy any kind of weapons in the future.
Which short of outright conquering the place is impossible.

Saudi still prosecute and murder christian for being christian,when Iran do not did such things.And it happens now,not 40 years ago.
Was it before or after MBS was in power, because that has changed a lot in SA, and he is the main driver of recent close relations with USA and Israel.

Yes, Iran does it too, just that Iran has competent propaganda and the media don't feel much like reporting about it because its not as awkward for the western politicians.
The government guarantees the recognized Christian minorities a number of rights (production and sale of non-halal foods),[citation needed] representation in parliament, special family law etc.[citation needed] According to US-based Barnabas Fund government intrusion, expropriation of property, forced closure and persecution, particularly in the initial years after the Iranian Revolution, have all been documented.[citation needed]

On 2 February 2018, four United Nations human rights experts said that members of the Christian minority in Iran, particularly those who have converted to Christianity, are facing severe discrimination and religious persecution in Iran. They expressed their concerns over treatment of three Iranian Christians imprisoned in Iran.[24]


If USA are happy with such client,then they should stop meddling in polish affairs.We do not kill anybody becouse of religion.
It seems ,that USA demand something only from Christian countries.Maybe we all should seek new overlord in China?
USA overlord is silly.
Yes, they should tone down with petty sociopolitical demands on allies who don't have the excuse of different religion, #blamethemedia, its them who whine about politicians who don't do that until they do. Western allies should be treated with the same gloves Israel and Saudi Arabia are.
 
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CockyVampire67

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Saudi still prosecute and murder christian for being christian,when Iran do not did such things.And it happens now,not 40 years ago.If USA are happy with such client,then they should stop meddling in polish affairs.We do not kill anybody becouse of religion.
It seems ,that USA demand something only from Christian countries.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
 

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Which short of outright conquering the place is impossible.


Was it before or after MBS was in power, because that has changed a lot in SA, and he is the main driver of recent close relations with USA and Israel.

Yes, Iran does it too, just that Iran has competent propaganda and the media don't feel much like reporting about it because its not as awkward for the western politicians.




Yes, they should tone down with petty sociopolitical demands on allies who don't have the excuse of different religion, #blamethemedia, its them who whine about politicians who don't do that until they do. Western allies should be treated with the same gloves Israel and Saudi Arabia are.

All muslim kill muslim which abadonned their religion,even less fanatical.SA is prosecuting christian working there,who never were muslims.
 

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All muslim kill muslim which abadonned their religion,even less fanatical.SA is prosecuting christian working there,who never were muslims.
SA is treating their third world servants like servants regardless of their religion.
They don't persecute western skilled workers because that gets western governments angry.

As for Iran:
 

TheRejectionist

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1.True
2.Not all muslims must be our enemies,/iranian and turks follow rather their national interests then religion/ but Saudi are wahabbities - they must be our enemies becouse of their version of islam.

All muslim kill muslim which abadonned their religion,even less fanatical.SA is prosecuting christian working there,who never were muslims.
He and Saddam flipped off the Cabal one time too many and the Cabal decided to yeet them.

Honestly, our enemies are not the Muslims. Not even Saudis. Iranians and others even less. I thought it was them, but honestly I think the extremism had become a smokescreen.

With this "pandemic" I understand who are my opponents.

I honestly have more sympathy for some Muslim factions and countries than the politicians running Italy (or any other part of "wESTerN eUroPE").

I would ally with them if we went against the banksters, big pharma and more.
 

TheRejectionist

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SA is treating their third world servants like servants regardless of their religion.
They don't persecute western skilled workers because that gets western governments angry.

As for Iran:

I have 3 good reason to wanting to go to Iran : 1) the history 2) no covid shitshow (but maybe I have bad intel) 3) the women!
 
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The ones who stay in their homeland are not our enemies.

The ones that try to invade our homelands as illegal immigrants are our enemies.
So the clerics that incite the mob aren't our enemies but the mob is? I am sure Mr. Sharpton is relieved that you dont consider him a problem up there.
 

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SA is treating their third world servants like servants regardless of their religion.
They don't persecute western skilled workers because that gets western governments angry.

As for Iran:

SA prosecute christian more then others,and USA would change that - if they cared.
And,according to all book writen by people who go to Iran,they do not prosecute christian minority as long as they remain loyal.
Standart autocratic regime in which you could live normal live.
Where is christian minority in SA?
 

TheRejectionist

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The ones who stay in their homeland are not our enemies.

The ones that try to invade our homelands as illegal immigrants are our enemies.

I am not in favor of them coming to the contrary. Though they are coming not by their direct conscious choice.

It's more of an unconscious and not too subliminal.

It's like when you throw a bait in Far Cry 4,5 and Blood Dragon. Once it hits, they arrive.

Only problem is you are not the one throwing it , globalist are doing by their Euro-American puppets.

Maybe I see it slightly more positively because I spent a month and half with a Turkish girl.

SA prosecute christian more then others,and USA would change that - if they cared.
And,according to all book writen by people who go to Iran,they do not prosecute christian minority as long as they remain loyal.
Standart autocratic regime in which you could live normal live.
Where is christian minority in SA?

As far as I know, only migrant workers.

The biggest minority is Shiites in the Persian Gulf. And oh boy wouldn't they love to give hell to pay to the bloodthirsty Saudis.
 

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