United States John Deere replaces striking employees with office workers!

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Saw this on SB and felt the need to show it here!

https://jalopnik.com/john-deere-put-temporary-workers-on-the-factory-floor-1847872374

Long story short after being jerks to their employees, threatening farm equipment users with legal action should they use anything but official software that only they can repair at the dealership John Deere is now in over it's head on some issues.

This week plant workers went on strike, forcing the company to press gang salaried office workers who had little to no training for the job out of the air conditioning and into the shop the results seem to be what you would expect.
 

f1onagher

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I generally don't care for unions but they're in the right on this one. Good luck to the strikers, hope they win, and good health to the breakers, they're already collecting injuries from inexperience.

Oh and fuck John Deere. They're a bunch of controlling chodes and are basically the Apple of heavy machinery.
 

prinCZess

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In some ways I'm kind of impressed, because...I will freely cop to having driven tractors single-digit number of times in my life, but I was under the impression John Deere--and modern ones in particular--had become substantially more driver-friendly than previous ones had been and that was part of the company's schticks alongside their famous/infamous maintanence scheduling and incentives stuff where they were trying to win market-share.

So, like...Either the office-workers are even more insulated and incapable dummies than I am (which is humorous to consider), or their intuitive, simple driving systems aren't as simple...Or, I suppose for the no fun, there's always 'accidents happen', but that's no fun...
 

Abhishekm

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In some ways I'm kind of impressed, because...I will freely cop to having driven tractors single-digit number of times in my life, but I was under the impression John Deere--and modern ones in particular--had become substantially more driver-friendly than previous ones had been and that was part of the company's schticks alongside their famous/infamous maintanence scheduling and incentives stuff where they were trying to win market-share.

So, like...Either the office-workers are even more insulated and incapable dummies than I am (which is humorous to consider), or their intuitive, simple driving systems aren't as simple...Or, I suppose for the no fun, there's always 'accidents happen', but that's no fun...
Uh, pretty sure they were on the assembly line not in the finished tractors.
 

UberSink

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So, like...Either the office-workers are even more insulated and incapable dummies than I am (which is humorous to consider), or their intuitive, simple driving systems aren't as simple...Or, I suppose for the no fun, there's always 'accidents happen', but that's no fun...

Or, alternatively, you could be a fucking accountant or whatever pissed the hell off at your boss messing with you this badly after fucking over the people who actually know how you do this shit, and you're angling for pto
 

bintananth

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Or, alternatively, you could be a fucking accountant or whatever pissed the hell off at your boss messing with you this badly after fucking over the people who actually know how you do this shit, and you're angling for pto
I'm surprised one of them hasn't anonymously provided OSHA with a list of safety violations yet.
 

The Whispering Monk

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I'm surprised one of them hasn't anonymously provided OSHA with a list of safety violations yet.
They might have, but John Deere plants probably have pretty stringent safety standards to begin with.

AND WHY would this Federal Govt. get in the way of production of goods at this point? Wrong move from their POV.
 

Laskar

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Your thoughts @Quirel? I know you are a farmer.
Close.
I've worked as a farmhand for a few years, but I've also built machinery on an assembly line, and now I'm back in industrial maintenance. IOW, I have all kinds of opinions on this, most of which can be summed up as...

FCGqZBIXsAEBQWj

First of all, I'd like to correct what @f1onagher said above. John Deere is not like Apple. John Deere is oh so much worse than Apple. If your phone bricks, you get a new one. If your tractor bricks, you are losing thousands of dollars every day while it sits in the field, waiting for a John Deere-certified field technician to come and unbrick it. Farmers can't fix the machine themselves, they can't hire a local guy to do fix it, and they can't buy third-party parts to upgrade the tractors. John Deere wants to control what you can do with the machine that they sold to you, and they're going to use that control to suck every dollar they can out of you.

In other words, John Deere looks at the relationship that McDonalds has with their ice cream machine vendor, and they want that exact relationship with the farmers of America.

So yeah. I'm feeling so many levels of schadenfroh right now.

Second, we have the fact that temp workers were hired to replace the union workers. This isn't as uncommon as you might think. At the factory I used to work at, all new assembly line workers were hired through a temp agency. If the company liked them and if the supervisor felt like doing her job (AKA: When Mars and Venus were properly aligned in the sky) those temps would be hired on as full employees.

This system was pretty abusive, but I understand the incentives involved. Twenty, maybe thirty years ago, applying for a blue collar job like warehouse work meant walking into the warehouse, introducing yourself to the shop supervisor, and asking if he had a job open. If he liked your performance on the job, you stayed on. Otherwise, you got fired after a few weeks and you went looking for a new job somewhere else.

Nowadays, it all goes through HR. Which means that the advertisement, application, job interview, and firing is handled by a bunch of college grads who've never worked on the floor, never set foot on the floor unless they have to, and in fact do not have a clue what is going on out there. This is an untenable way of doing business, and we should look at doing whatever we can to bring the old ways back. This will probably involve fewer job benefits and liabilities, so that hiring a new employee won't be such a risk. On the plus side, this will mean more cash in the employee's paycheck. And most of the fine, updstanding people in HR can go back to doing more useful work, like picking trash out of the parking lot.

Wait, shit, where was I?

OK, so temp employees. Yeah, if they're new to the job, they don't know shit. I'm not too worried about them injuring themselves, because it's not like we purposefully design our factories to cull the weaklings from the herd. At least, not to more we don't. In order, I'd say that the three injuries most likely to occur in a modern tractor factory are:
  1. Flat feet from standing in the same place too long.
  2. Hit by a forklift.
  3. Something dropped on ya.
And of course, temp workers are new to the job, so they're more likely to injure themselves. But they're far more likely to do their job wrong, and there's probably not a lot of employees remaining to teach them to assemble a tractor right. So there's going to be more tractors that need additional fit or finishing... or tractors that get clear into the field before the farmer realizes that the wheels on the tractor weren't bolted on all the way.

In some ways I'm kind of impressed, because...I will freely cop to having driven tractors single-digit number of times in my life, but I was under the impression John Deere--and modern ones in particular--had become substantially more driver-friendly than previous ones had been and that was part of the company's schticks alongside their famous/infamous maintanence scheduling and incentives stuff where they were trying to win market-share.

So, like...Either the office-workers are even more insulated and incapable dummies than I am (which is humorous to consider), or their intuitive, simple driving systems aren't as simple...Or, I suppose for the no fun, there's always 'accidents happen', but that's no fun...
Sadly, the answer here is "Accidents happen." It's no fun, but it's honest.

Y'see, modern tractors are very easy to drive... in a straight line, in an empty field. They have GPS, and some of them might also have that fancy schmancy camera view technology, like a backup screen on some of those modern cars that shows what's behind you and a fair estimate of the path that the car will take. I dunno. Haven't really kept up to date with tractors.

I drove the 7R, which is the slightly smaller cousin of the 8R that was involved in the accident. It's hard to see the ground ahead of that tractor because the hood and the front tires take up so much of your forward vision. It's not hard to believe that someone new to driving those tractors couldn't judge the distance between the weights and the pole and crashed. Happens all the time to new farmhands.

Honestly, from the report, the damage wasn't too bad. The paint was scuffed off of the weights, which are just jerrycan-shaped chunks of pig iron. And an electrical box was smashed, but it was one of those little 120v outlets. Wasn't even important enough to protect with a bollard. Call me when someone crashes into a 480v electrical panel.

I can't even bring myself to make fun of him for being a salaried employee sent out to do a man's job. This is no fun at all!
 
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You do not seem to be aware that corrupt unions are responsible for a huge part of the issues that American industry has in this day and age.
Most of that corruption though is enabled through the government, although I understand where you are coming from.

Ideally unions should be made to compete with other unions, it's one of the few things Europe got right.
 
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Simonbob

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Nowadays, it all goes through HR.

There's a simple reason for this.

Well, there's a bunch of reasons, most of them dumb, but there's a really big reason why they keep all this stuff. It's called "Lawsuits". Mostly on the basis of 'Descrimination'.

When the Floor Manager can just say, "You're crap, bugger off.", there's no reason for anything else. It's when you can say "I'm X, that's why I didn't get the job!", then companies need to protect themselves from that. So, specialy trained Uni grads, who can say with a straight face "We're just not looking for somebody with your skillset right now." are needed. And they're the assholes on the spot, so they're the ones making the call.

(Of course, once they're in, and the department's established, getting rid of it's a bitch, but still)


We just need to go back to 'The relationship between worker and boss is between worker and boss.' Although, I can't see the Govenment liking that. Too much power lost.
 

f1onagher

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Most of that corruption though is enabled through the government, although I understand where you are coming from.

Ideally unions should be made to compete with other unions, it's one of the few things Europe got right.
Unions have a universal tendency to capture and hold hostage local industry the moment they're let off the hook. They're the largest unspoken contributor in the Steel Belt's transformation into the Rust Belt and even now a big part of our supply chain crisis is from the Longshoreman's Union controlling all of the ports in the US and refusing to do something as basic as 24 hour operations (the Biden administration has bribed them to do so temporarily, but its a skin deep change will just end up with more overtime for longshoremen and no actual change to the rest of the logistical apparatus). I agree that it would be better if we stopped using universal unions and forced them to compete, but that didn't work out the last time and I don't trust any current government to actually enforce anti-monopoly laws against a union.

Basically I'm sympathetic to labor, but not to Labor.
 

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