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Zachowon

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I harbour personal doubts that she actually would have stabbed the other girl but obviously it's kind of unknowable. The cop certainly couldn't and shouldn't have been considering such though, he had to honour the threat, he tried to use words as much as he could, and when it didn't work he did the right thing.
She was already mid swing with the knife. She was GOING to stab the girl.
She already stabbed one other that was laying in front of the cop ir next to him when he shot.
 

prinCZess

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How fucked in the head do you have to be to do like she did in front of a cop with a drawn pistol?
One thing going conspicuously unmentioned is her status as a foster-child, despite it probably being a pretty relevant portion of the story.

The foster care system is...broken, to say the least. And deals regularly with broken and maladjusted individuals (be it because of the shitty system foster-care is or the shitty things which got them into it in the first place) who also happen to often, as in this case, be teenagers with all the issues relevant to that of hormone issues, impulse control, social isolation or bullying issues (and foster-child status adds more avenues for that)...AND for the kicker add in all the screwery of Wuhan Flu over the last year and the schoolchildren-age headfucking it's added to things.

Hell, it would not surprise me for it to be a case of 'suicide by cop' (don't think there's any indication of such yet, but...factors line up)...Or, it can just be teenage rank-stupidity (we'd assume teens know knives are deadly weapons, but...I mean, I could see that not being a thing someone with no experience with life in general 'gets', and it's possible it wasn't cared about if it was known because of past upbringing around violence or just teenage anger addling the girl's mental calculus of things to the point where attempting to stab someone seemed a suitable idea to her).
 

Megadeath

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She was already mid swing with the knife. She was GOING to stab the girl.
She already stabbed one other that was laying in front of the cop ir next to him when he shot.
She was moving aggressively at the girl and swinging the knife around. I'm not saying she wasn't going to stab her, but that I personally doubt it. She doesn't appear to stab the girl who gets pushed/kicked to the ground as best as I can tell from the footage, and all I can find in articles is a statement that she "tried" to stab the girl on the ground. Do you have other information? My doubt comes from the fact that if you're actually trying to stab someone at close range, they're pretty much going to get stabbed somewhere. Also from personal experience with violence, where producing a weapon and even menacing and threatening with it has more been about posturing. I also am just a bit incredulous that anyone could be stupid enough to actually stab someone in front of a cop in broad daylight, rather than just dumb enough to think that they could get away with threatening.

As I said before though, none of that is relevant to the situation as it was though. The cop can't risk someone else's life on the possibility that someone is only 80% retarded rather than 100%, and he did not have time to do anything else or more.

From looking around, it actually seems there's pretty solid consensus that it was justified. Hell, even youtube comments are largely in agreement. The biggest difference in reactions from across the political divide seems to be the language used with some saying "What a tragedy, what terrible circumstances, and let's fix the foster care system! But, cop did the right thing." (Which seems a bit naive and simplistic compared with "Cop absolutely did right, but no one will admit it, and this will cause riots!" The small number of people objecting seem to be saying he could have used another option but verbal was tried and failed, he was too far away for physical intervention and even if he'd had his taser out and pointed it's not reliable or quick enough stopping people for pink girls safety.
 

Zachowon

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She was moving aggressively at the girl and swinging the knife around. I'm not saying she wasn't going to stab her, but that I personally doubt it. She doesn't appear to stab the girl who gets pushed/kicked to the ground as best as I can tell from the footage, and all I can find in articles is a statement that she "tried" to stab the girl on the ground. Do you have other information? My doubt comes from the fact that if you're actually trying to stab someone at close range, they're pretty much going to get stabbed somewhere. Also from personal experience with violence, where producing a weapon and even menacing and threatening with it has more been about posturing. I also am just a bit incredulous that anyone could be stupid enough to actually stab someone in front of a cop in broad daylight, rather than just dumb enough to think that they could get away with threatening.

As I said before though, none of that is relevant to the situation as it was though. The cop can't risk someone else's life on the possibility that someone is only 80% retarded rather than 100%, and he did not have time to do anything else or more.

From looking around, it actually seems there's pretty solid consensus that it was justified. Hell, even youtube comments are largely in agreement. The biggest difference in reactions from across the political divide seems to be the language used with some saying "What a tragedy, what terrible circumstances, and let's fix the foster care system! But, cop did the right thing." (Which seems a bit naive and simplistic compared with "Cop absolutely did right, but no one will admit it, and this will cause riots!" The small number of people objecting seem to be saying he could have used another option but verbal was tried and failed, he was too far away for physical intervention and even if he'd had his taser out and pointed it's not reliable or quick enough stopping people for pink girls safety.
She was going to stab the girl. U less you are saying she would have stopped her forward momentum of her arm last minute....which I doubt, she was not in the right and WAS going to stab.
You dint make those motions and pin someone against a car to not do it
 

Megadeath

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Friendly Reminder - Rule 2, please stay civil
She was going to stab the girl. U less you are saying she would have stopped her forward momentum of her arm last minute....which I doubt, she was not in the right and WAS going to stab.
You dint make those motions and pin someone against a car to not do it
This seems like a pretty pointless thing to argue further. It's fundamentally unknowable, and immaterial to the discussion. Sometimes I think you disagree with ever little thing I say just to virtue signal that you are part of the cool kids, to make up for the fact they keep threatening to kick you out for pretending everyone in uniform is captain America, even if they glow.
 

Megadeath

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I guess many people on the woke side are physically incapable of watching Dirty Harry movies and need to overwrite the memory of them with copious amount of porn, if they are by any chance exposed to their existence.
LOL! Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Though I'd rather be watching death wish. Also, the whooshing sound was the humour flying over your head and @Typhonis's
 

PsihoKekec

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No need to get defensive, we don't judge people here for having a crippling porn addiction. The whole glass house and stone things you know.
 

Marduk

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She was already mid swing with the knife. She was GOING to stab the girl.
She already stabbed one other that was laying in front of the cop ir next to him when he shot.
Yup, there's a new video released with a different angle and longer timing, from neighbor's security camera.


It also contains a nice statement of intent:
That one definitely belongs on the "things you're not supposed to say in front of a cop" list.
 

Megadeath

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Yup, there's a new video released with a different angle and longer timing, from neighbor's security camera.


It also contains a nice statement of intent:
That one definitely belongs on the "things you're not supposed to say in front of a cop" list.

Eh, it looks to me like her arm is almost locked up in the drawn back position in the final instants and I wouldn't consider shit talking in a fight a true statement of intent.

I'll reiterate again though that even hindsight isn't 20/20 in this case, we can't know for sure what would have happened, the cop was acting on very short time and what he did know, and that even with the after the fact information and my personal doubts, if I was time shifted into his place I'd still take that shot and just hope I had his marksmanship.
 

Marduk

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Eh, it looks to me like her arm is almost locked up in the drawn back position in the final instants and I wouldn't consider shit talking in a fight a true statement of intent.
Only if you disregard what was done before. Look *very* carefully at her interaction with the girl that gets down on the ground a moment before the attack on the girl in pink.
 

Megadeath

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Only if you disregard what was done before. Look *very* carefully at her interaction with the girl that gets down on the ground a moment before the attack on the girl in pink.
Honestly, I can't make it out clearly enough to be sure of anything. She could just be stumbling over her. Regardless though, it seems there's disproportionate effort from several people to convince me that she definitely was going to stab the other girl, and I don't think that's going to happen. Nor do I think it matters to the legal issue or to me. Even if we could somehow know for sure she wasn't going to stab the other girl, I'd still say that the cop did exactly the right thing based on the information he had at the time.
 

Rocinante

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This is one of those cases where even if a civilian shot her, it would have been legal. I've got zero problem with the action of the cop here. It's sad that she died, but she full well brought it on herself.
I might be desensitized to violence... But I'm not even sad she died.

These are the consequences of trying to stab someone.

If she wasn't dead, that other girl would be.

I am shedding no tears for her.
 

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