Why does the left consider the UN a moral authority?

Hlaalu Agent

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Congratulations, you're rehashing discussions of values, priorities, diminishing returns, and moral conflicts that I've been having for a decade and some.

You are, again, attributing to me (and other Christians) your personal definition of worship, then insisting that what someone else said means what you say it means.

You're not putting forward any thoughts I haven't heard before. You aren't going over any ideas or logical conflicts that I (and many other Christians) have not run through before.

Please stop insisting that no, the statement totally means what you say it does, based on your preconceptions of the term 'worship.'

Actually you are the one foisting your own definition of worship on other people, and they are objecting. So, if anyone should stop it is you.
 

Scottty

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I think people here are talking past each other a bit. Let me try to clear the fog a bit.

The sort of people who are innately religious, but disbelieve in God, so they put their religious focus on something other than God, absolutely do exist. Often what such people reverence in place of a Deity seems very silly, from the point of view of a Christian. Hence Chesterton's comment.
And sometimes... they are Atheists because they have already given their devotion to something other than a personal God.
As CS Lewis said, a Christian dealing with unbelievers like that finds himself opposed not by their irreligion, but by their real religion.

But not every person who lacks belief in God, is a person of that sort. Also, not every religious person is so from the same inner drives and motives.
I, for example, on a visceral level find it next to impossible to make sense of the motivations of anyone who follows a religion that promises nothing about an afterlife.
Frankly, what would be the point?
 

LordsFire

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Actually you are the one foisting your own definition of worship on other people, and they are objecting. So, if anyone should stop it is you.

Given the statement comes from a Christian source, expecting it to be treated as using a Christian understanding of the terminology, is not unreasonable. It's not like this was something a Buddhist said, and now I'm trying to lecture them on how Christians use the word and why what they said clearly didn't mean what they intended for it to mean.
 

S'task

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I would suggest that this discussion on the meaning and use of the word "worship" has run its course and should probably be dropped and the thread pushed back on topic a bit, everyone, at this point, has said their peice and are more or less just talking past each other.
 

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