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I think its very possible this backfires hard on the democrats and on the establishment.

As for where it ends my money is on the establishement just killing him, and setting the stage for the next populist leader who will come in with a stronger angier movement.

In other words more and more escalation by the left/establishment until one day they wake up outnumbered hated and get to enjoy the politics of revenge.
There is also the third option in that Trump isn't arrested. I mean I hate to say it, but his popularity has been fading recently it may be a ploy for attention.
 

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That is possible and is the smart move but honestly I just don't see it happening. We've seen too much insanity for me to bet on the establishment doing the smart thing for a change.
Not really, if it's a ploy he just overbought if nobody arrests him he suddenly becomes the boy who cried wolf and that would tick everyone off more than anything.
 

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Not really, if it's a ploy he just overbought if nobody arrests him he suddenly becomes the boy who cried wolf and that would tick everyone off more than anything.

Too late for that to work the DA says their going after him even though the case is pretty damned flimsy. Looks like the DA is trying to think that a new york state jury would be so biased against him that he would win regardless of the merit of the case.
 

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Too late for that to work the DA says their going after him even though the case is pretty damned flimsy. Looks like the DA is trying to think that a new york state jury would be so biased against him that he would win regardless of the merit of the case.
Odds Trumps lawyers bring up the fact that Soross paid for the DA's campaign and claim it is outside influence driving him?
 

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This is back from Saturday but I figure its worth sharing here, even if just for archive purposes.

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Despite Trump's calls for protests, few efforts emerge, as supporters worry: 'It's a trap'


Will Carless, USA TODAY
Tue, March 21, 2023 at 10:02 AM EDT



"PROTEST, TAKE OUR NATION BACK!"

"WE MUST SAVE AMERICA! PROTEST, PROTEST, PROTEST!!!"

So ended two posts from former President Donald Trump, who has been posting incessantly — often in all caps — on his Truth Social page for the last few days. The messages have been flowing ever since Trump announced on Saturday that he believes he will be arrested in New York on Tuesday.

But while the former president calls on his supporters to gather in protest at his prosecution, that message seems to be falling on deaf — or at least unwilling — ears. Three days after Trump's desperate pleas, online support for public protests remains unfocused, disorganized and muted, according to experts who monitor far-right extremists online.

Rather than organizing protests, prominent Trump supporters online are instead driving a different narrative: That any public events are a "trap" set by law enforcement, and that attending any events will be counterproductive and will likely result in protesters being arrested.

That reaction fits a pattern, experts say: Broadly, extremist movements are often whipsawed, with aggressive activity followed by pushback from law enforcement, resulting in withdrawal as remaining followers grow paranoid.

The Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol, which was preceded by a call to action at a Trump rally, has led to nearly 1,000 prosecutions. That offers even the most ardent supporter tangible evidence that pro-Trump fervor can lead to jail time — even as some conspiracy theorists continue to claim those Jan. 6 rioters were somehow framed.

And unlike Jan. 6, details on this latest rallying cry are scant. With no known time and place for a Trump arrest — and the possibility that he won't even be arrested, that his call to action is some kind of ruse — there remains no central target for his supporters this time around.

"We're seeing folks cautioning people about engaging in protests out of fear that it's a trap by the government," said Oren Segal, Vice President, of the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism. "We're also seeing some people urging people to protest despite that risk, with some calls for violence. But overall, there is no sort of cohesive movement in terms of where these protests should happen."


Will you protest? Many say no

In one pro-Trump channel on the encrypted messaging service Telegram devoted to the QAnon conspiracy, a moderator asked the channel's 212,000 subscribers whether they would protest if Trump is arrested Tuesday. Overwhelmingly, the comments in response — almost 2,000 of them — were in the negative.

"There is no point in playing into their hands. The rioters will be paid bad actors not Trump supporters. We know what is coming," wrote one user.

On Trump's social media site, Truth Social, British far-right provocateur Paul Joseph Watson polled his 218,000 followers with the question: "Is the potential protest against Trump being arrested a J6-style trap?"

Of the 1,580 responses, 85% voted "Yes."

And on Twitter, Ali Alexander, one of the main pushers of the "Stop The Steal" movement, which claimed the 2020 election was actually won by Trump, warned his more than 175,00 followers:

"If you protest in New York City, you will be in the single most hostile jurisdiction in the United States. There is no law and order. You have no liberty or rights there. You will be jailed or worse."

'It's a trap' becomes a theme

The notion that pro-Trump protests are traps laid by law enforcement has been around for years, said Megan Squire, deputy director for data analytics at the Southern Poverty Law Center. But in the last few days, that narrative has dominated online discussion about whether to come out in public and support Trump if he is arrested, she said.

Squire said she has started a research folder called "It's a trap" where she is storing screen-shot examples of this messaging she finds online. The sense of paranoia among these Trump supporters echoes the concerns felt by white supremacists in the months after the deadly Charlottesville rally in 2017, Squire said. Online, people are being extremely cautious about what they say, and what they plan, she said.

"It's the natural thing. It's the thing they always do," Squire said. "They get in trouble, they get looked at, they get scrutinized, they get horrible media attention, a lot of legal attention, and they say the thing that pops into their head, which is 'Retreat. Go back into your mom's basement and don't come out.'"

No central focus for protests

Complicating the efforts of any Trump supporters who do wish to protest in support of him is a lack of any central focus for their movement.

On Jan. 6, 2021, the tens of thousands of Trump supporters who traveled to Washington D.C. had a clear target: The U.S. Capitol, where the 2020 election results were being certified.

The latest call to action lacks the same clear goal. This time around, it's unclear whether to envision a protest attempting to stop the work of investigators in New York, prevent an arrest Trump's home in Florida, or take action somewhere else.

By Monday evening, protests had been announced for locations ranging from the parking lot of an In-n-Out burger restaurant in Orange County, California, to a location to be defined in New York City. But none of these events appeared to be attracting enough attention to draw large crowds, experts said.

The biggest fear: Individual or small groups of extremists

Experts who monitor extremism cautioned that the biggest danger to public safety that could come out of Trump's escalating rhetoric probably doesn't involve large crowds of protestors. Far more concerning are small groups, or individual domestic terrorists who might be inspired to take action by Trump's call for protests, they said.

That's happened before.

After Trump made several fiery speeches about an "invasion" at the U.S.-Mexico border, a far-right extremist killed 23 people in an El Paso WalMart. After the FBI raided Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate and Trump railed online about the bureau, a man attacked the FBI's Cincinnati field office with a rifle and another man was arrested after an armed stand-off for threatening FBI agents on social media.

With the Charlottesville rally and Jan. 6 being obvious outliers, protests — even those held by far-right extremists — aren't usually where Americans are injured or killed by individual domestic terrorists. That usually happens in attacks driven by escalating political rhetoric, and that's what worries experts like Segal.

"I'm more concerned about a Nancy Pelosi-husband-style attack," he said, referring to the October attack on Senator Pelosi's husband Paul by a man wielding a hammer. "I'm more concerned about a Pittsburgh or El Paso style attack than I am about some organized protests that leads to violence."

Got to be honest here, this is pretty much what I was afraid of in the back of my mind.

It's a catch-22 position.

If Trump supporters protest, there's a risk the Deep State will use it to cause an incident. (and not show any instances of people trying to stop them, as they did on January 6th). Never mind that without anyone to stop them or stand in contrast to them, there's a fair chance that the Feds/Deep State will cause an incident anyway and it will look more 'real' because of the lack of any evidence of people trying to stop them.

If they don't protest, the Deep State uses this as an opportunity to infiltrate and undermine from within.

There's a major risk of people getting too afraid or indecisive to rally or protest out of fear of FBI/Deep State infiltration. Basically, the Feds get to look like they're more numerous, more stealthy, and more influential than they actually are.

Forgive me if I'm rambling, I'm trying to make my thoughts make sense and they are stubbornly refusing to do so.
 

Cherico

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This is back from Saturday but I figure its worth sharing here, even if just for archive purposes.

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Oh I belive it, thing is they fully understand that this is going to make trump more popular and it makes it more likely for trump to win because the case is truely fimsly which means there will likely be a whole lot of retrubution if and when the republicans gain power.
 

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Is ... is he ... is HE still with us? Or has been arrested and Epsteined?
 

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I imagine when (if) the arrest happens it'll be national news and we will know pretty quickly.

It's hilarious that it hasn't even happened yet, and his polling is already surging.

They will never learn. Every time they tried to take him out in 2016, he just got more powerful. This is the ultimate fuck up for them.

Like, I was moved on for Trump, and on the DeSantis bandwagon before. Now I want to vote for Trump again just for retribution.
 

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well it is up to the NYC grand jury at this point. either they will indict and it will be obviously partisan. or they won't and this DA will have wasted a 6-7 figure sum building a case that couldn't even convince a grand jury in one of the most partisan areas of the country to indict Trump.
 

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So… who thinks even if they don’t get him on this, that some Far Left vigilante will try and take him out themselves?

While he may no longer be POTUS, there’s still no shortage of TDS sufferers who’ve been groomed by the Corporate Press into utterly loathing him. There’s already been at least one (half-hearted) assassination attempt on Kavanaugh, and while the guy didn’t have the guts to go through with it, the many more people who hate Trump more fervently than they do anyone else to the Right of Biden, Clinton, or Schumer makes getting that lucky twice suspect at best.
 

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DeSantis isn't a police officer, DA or member of a committee deciding if the arrest should be made. Again, we are halfway through the day here and still waiting for the arrest,
the indictment not arrest. also this is a nonviolent misdemeanor so they might just ask him to turn himself in or something if they do decide to do anything. Desantis has said he won't do anything with it so they won't get help from the Florida state law enforcment. also he is surrounded by secret service so going in and trying to physically arrest him is all kinds of a bad idea since their job is to protect him. it would be a rather hilarious thing to see some NYPD cops getting in a fire fight with those guys though.
 

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the indictment not arrest. also this is a nonviolent misdemeanor so they might just ask him to turn himself in or something if they do decide to do anything. Desantis has said he won't do anything with it so they won't get help from the Florida state law enforcment. also he is surrounded by secret service so going in and trying to physically arrest him is all kinds of a bad idea since their job is to protect him. it would be a rather hilarious thing to see some NYPD cops getting in a fire fight with those guys though.
It's debatable if being a SS worker allows for stopping an arrest made by the legal governing bodies even if the justification is flimsy, I can see them just shrugging handing him over on condition that they be the ones to guard him, and he is kept in solitary for his own safety but I don't see them getting into a standoff/shooting war especially when the SS ultimately answers to Biden at the moment.

Even then Trump was claiming 'arrest' so that's what I am waiting for and even if I wasn't an indictment still hasn't arrived, if this turns out to be more bluster then it will reflect poorly.
 
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It's debatable if being a SS worker allows for stopping an arrest an arrest made by legal governing bodies even if the justification is flimsy, I can see them just shrugging handing him over on condition that they be the ones to guard him, and he is kept in solitary for his own safety but I don't see them getting into a standoff/shooting war especially when the SS ultimately answers to Biden at the moment.

Even then Trump was claiming 'arrest' so that's what I am waiting for and even if I wasn't an indictment still hasn't arrived, if this turns out to be more bluster then it will reflect poorly.
The DA could only hand things over to a grand jury for it to be decided by them. Trump called attention to the DA making a political prosecution while ignoring the literal dumpster fire that is his actual responsibility. this reflects poorly on the DA and will reflect poorly on the grand jury if they go through with it.

I guess the argument that the SS can play praetorian guard is fair. just hope the dems are ready for the precedent that would set. if an R wins ever again we can use the SS to round up every D prez still around and charge em.
 

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