Dystopian Europe

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
You are assuming that there are parts of the system which still function.

I have hard time seeing any.
City-run utilities are still delivering water and taking away sewage. That's probably the single most important one.

It's not the most efficient, but the post office still works.

The DMV is still testing people and giving driver's licenses. Notably in compared to outright failed states, you don't have to give anyone bribes for this.

In states and cities not run by Democrats for decades, crime rates are reasonable to low, and the prosecution and conviction rates are also at least high enough to deter crime.

Enforcement of traffic laws is consistent enough that most adults commute to and from work each day without being in fear of their lives.

There's a few that only took a couple minutes to come up with.
 

Cherico

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The existence of one enemy in no way makes other enemies not exist or stop being your enemies. If you think otherwise, you're an idiot, one useful to one of these other enemies, or just in general.

Did you read what did i write about what will happen after you sink the boat?
The third parties will not just simply let you survive and build something new. They would be fucking retarded to do so.

Sorry, but i completely fail to appreciate the intellectual value of "stick your head in the sand" strategy.

Wow, go away to the commies then, seems like you have the right story to be accepted by them.

If your defeatist vision regarding chances of retaking the control of the ship is correct, then your solution to it is incorrect. Global thermonuclear warfare is a better alternative, as it implies sinking not only your ship, but all the other ships, certainly the hostile ones, while, as a bonus, said hostile ships will help you sink the mutineers with their ship's weapons. And suddenly your chances of being able to rebuild with no intervention from other ships rise...
But hey, that doesn't fit the pro-foreign power narrative you are trying to push, so you sure will apply your favored "stick head in sand" strategy instead.

Countries go through revolutions and come out the other side stronger all of the time.

Look at Revolutionary france total basketcase then it almost conquered europe. Its actually the norm for countries to have periods of instability america is unusually stable by international and historical standards.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
City-run utilities are still delivering water and taking away sewage. That's probably the single most important one.

It's not the most efficient, but the post office still works.

The DMV is still testing people and giving driver's licenses. Notably in compared to outright failed states, you don't have to give anyone bribes for this.

In states and cities not run by Democrats for decades, crime rates are reasonable to low, and the prosecution and conviction rates are also at least high enough to deter crime.

Enforcement of traffic laws is consistent enough that most adults commute to and from work each day without being in fear of their lives.

There's a few that only took a couple minutes to come up with.
None of that however is specific to current political and cultural system. Austria-Hungary had better city-run utilities, better postal service, lower crime rate... than modern-day Western countries.

So I guess that depends on what you mean when you talk about "system".
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
None of that however is specific to current political and cultural system. Austria-Hungary had better city-run utilities, better postal service, lower crime rate... than modern-day Western countries.

So I guess that depends on what you mean when you talk about "system".
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They are part of the current governmental system.

What did you mean by 'current system'?
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
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They are part of the current governmental system.

What did you mean by 'current system'?
I meant the totality of cultural and political framework of modern Western society. So the so-called "democracy", the media system, the Cathedral, cultural outlook and so on. Including the governmental system, yes, but that is a rather small part of it.
 

ATP

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You remain attached to the very system destroying you. The America you love is dead. Its never coming back. And so is the West in general. Its dead. What has taken its place is systemically and inherently biased against you.


You will not be able to deal with your mutineers. They will distract you with foreign adventures, playing on old instincts while they pick your pockets and destroy you. You want to go to war to defend the interests and expand the power of your real enemies.

Insane.

So the system itself has to go. And something new built to replace it, inspired by the best of the old but rooted in modernity. And to do that, the institutions have to be demolished.

Sink the boat bud. Sink it. Sink it all with the mutineers in it. You are going to lose anyway. But if you sink the boat, you can survive and build something new.

It doesnt matter what China does in Taiwan. it doesnt matter what Iran does in syria. It doesnt matter what Russia does in Ukraine. What matters is whats going on in your own back yard. The greatest enemy isnt the 'Chicoms'. Its the plutocrats and and managerial classes. It is they who destroyed you. It is they who empowered your foreign rivals, pillaged your economy and debased your society.

Until that system is dealt with, you will be unable to deal with your foreign rivals.
Right about current USA.Wrong about what to do.
In Poland we once have aristocrats who do not wanted King with real power.So,they asked Russia for help.
Result - there was no more Poland.

The same would happen to USA,when state fall.Do you really think that China would be content with genociding Taiwan,and Moscov with genociding me and my country?
No,after that they would go for you.Such is nature of the beast,and,since you would not have state anymore,you would end as their slave without hope for change.


When you still have chance till USA exist.Small one,but better then zero.
 

AnimalNoodles

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Right about current USA.Wrong about what to do.
In Poland we once have aristocrats who do not wanted King with real power.So,they asked Russia for help.
Result - there was no more Poland.

The same would happen to USA,when state fall.Do you really think that China would be content with genociding Taiwan,and Moscov with genociding me and my country?
No,after that they would go for you.Such is nature of the beast,and,since you would not have state anymore,you would end as their slave without hope for change.


When you still have chance till USA exist.Small one,but better then zero.

China wants to annex Taiwan, not genocide it. Russia has no interest in Poles.

You ask the USA for help and the result will be a much more thorough destruction of your culture. AntiAmerica rules by chaos and division. Your alliance with it doesnt end with a strong poland, it ends with your symbols banned, your children sexualised and 30 million african and asian settlers smashing your monuments and redacting your history.
 

Marduk

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China wants to annex Taiwan, not genocide it. Russia has no interest in Poles.
This is Baghdad Bob level of whitewashing Russia and China.
You know damn well what China does to people who are less than enthusiastic about being annexed by China and genocide is on the table there.
Also you are technically correct, Russia has no interest in Poles, just like it has no interest in Ukrainians. That is, Russia doesn't care much if they run away, accept being Russia's servants, die, or get turned into Russians they are fine with either option. They do however have interest in Poland and Ukraine, as that's a lot of land and resources to divide between their elites.
You ask the USA for help and the result will be a much more thorough destruction of your culture. AntiAmerica rules by chaos and division. Your alliance with it doesnt end with a strong poland, it ends with your symbols banned, your children sexualised and 30 million african and asian settlers smashing your monuments and redacting your history.
Just like it happened with Japan, Taiwan, Israel and South Korea.... Oh, wait...
 

AnimalNoodles

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This is Baghdad Bob level of whitewashing Russia and China.
You know damn well what China does to people who are less than enthusiastic about being annexed by China and genocide is on the table there.
Also you are technically correct, Russia has no interest in Poles, just like it has no interest in Ukrainians. That is, Russia doesn't care much if they run away, accept being Russia's servants, die, or get turned into Russians they are fine with either option. They do however have interest in Poland and Ukraine, as that's a lot of land and resources to divide between their elites.

Just like it happened with Japan, Taiwan, Israel and South Korea.... Oh, wait...

Give it time. The Empire wants to turn everything into Chicago. They did it to the USA, they are doing it to the UK, Canada and Australia, and they will do it everywhere they have power.
 

Marduk

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Give it time. The Empire wants to turn everything into Chicago. They did it to the USA, they are doing it to the UK, Canada and Australia, and they will do it everywhere they have power.
They did it to only some parts of USA even after infiltrating the establishment. Sure, they would want more, but as you can see, their powers are limited regarding those who don't welcome that influence. They did more of it to... places who volunteered to double down on it, ironically that being the people and places most commonly whining about US imperialism and simping for commies.
 

ATP

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China wants to annex Taiwan, not genocide it. Russia has no interest in Poles.

You ask the USA for help and the result will be a much more thorough destruction of your culture. AntiAmerica rules by chaos and division. Your alliance with it doesnt end with a strong poland, it ends with your symbols banned, your children sexualised and 30 million african and asian settlers smashing your monuments and redacting your history.
They claim,that there is no Taiwaneese nation.Which mean,that they would kill or send to gulags all of them.
And,Russia is long dead,but Moscov would genocide all those who want be poles.
When woke USA only turn us into serfs on our own land.

Srefs could be free again,but those in mass graves could not be raised.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
Give it time. The Empire wants to turn everything into Chicago. They did it to the USA, they are doing it to the UK, Canada and Australia, and they will do it everywhere they have power.
China wants to annex Taiwan, not genocide it. Russia has no interest in Poles.

You ask the USA for help and the result will be a much more thorough destruction of your culture. AntiAmerica rules by chaos and division. Your alliance with it doesnt end with a strong poland, it ends with your symbols banned, your children sexualised and 30 million african and asian settlers smashing your monuments and redacting your history.
They did it to only some parts of USA even after infiltrating the establishment. Sure, they would want more, but as you can see, their powers are limited regarding those who don't welcome that influence. They did more of it to... places who volunteered to double down on it, ironically that being the people and places most commonly whining about US imperialism and simping for commies.
Give it time. Preparations for genocide of Poland are ongoing as we speak:
 

Marduk

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Give it time. Preparations for genocide of Poland are ongoing as we speak:
They have had similar "incidents" and activists in Japan since ages. But if the local culture does not eagerly fall for the marxist framework of thinking involved and provide a snowball effect for their influence, they can hardly get a decent foothold.
For a demonstration of how low these activist's influence is, even California run Youtube didn't ban "murzyn" as a slur as they pleaded, so you have loads of videos with it in title.
 

Marduk

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And back to more relevant topics...

They did an analysis of their ~200k pop city council budget...
Holy shit. You would not expect it even in the most bleeding heart socialist dystopia that a whooping 80% of the council budget goes to... social care services, with the remaining funding being spread among such more normal council duties like waste collection, public facilities, roads or historical conservation. And in further breakdown of the social care budget, it seems that most of it goes to a group of about 2500 people, or barely over 1% of the city's population, including some children who apparently need a quarter million pounds per year each to be cared after. And that's in a country with its (in)famous NHS. WTF is going on there? This is clown world pictured in numbers. If that's how the government works everywhere, no wonder Europe is experiencing economic decline. It would be strange if it didn't, despite taxing the populations so highly just to waste the money doing something that's ridiculous and/or corrupt.
 

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