ISOT Back to the Past, aka Poland Saves the World from World War II.

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Recreating production lines means making machines to make machines to make machines.
As well as making machines to produce specific grades of steel or other metals or alloys ...
It isn't "hop siup i do przodu"
Of course not, but well If you don't have what you like, you like what you have. Besides, no one said it had to be literally the same engine and not a copy upgraded to modern times.
What do you mean by KV-1 which became Lis-2?
Name, same engine but under a different name produced in the USSR as in Poland.
Supporting Franco means keeping down the disgusting communists!
Also, this is a plus in itself. Because, after all, the Law and Justice government has no reason to support the communists, right? After all, they won't give the Soviets an ally in Western Europe.
 

ATP

Well-known member
What do you mean why? For resources, more precisely the oil reserves in Spain's Western Sahara. It turns out that there are deposits of oil and natural gas there, which is what we need on an urgent basis. And also for the market of a country ruined by civil war, Spain will need money to rebuild and, as it happens, Poland has it, every zloty we put into Spain will be recovered several times over like the Americans after World War II.

They may not have gold, but they may have both the resources and we have the right technology to mine them. Well, and the same as Spain, China is a ruined country and Japan is still before its boom. The right carrot given to our "friends" will pay off very quickly.
Forget,that they still have Sahara.You have a point,now we could support him and end reds in 1938.
Spain have some rare metals,too.Forget which ones,as usual.

Yes,Japan still have Manchuria.
I joked about giving them Kurosawa,Godzilla and anime and rights for that - but,Kurosawa arleady lived then.Why not hire him for making polish movies ?
And...maybe really gave them all that movies and anime?
And bond over Chopin.They love him.

Recreating production lines means making machines to make machines to make machines.
As well as making machines to produce specific grades of steel or other metals or alloys ...
It isn't "hop siup i do przodu" :p

What do you mean by KV-1 which became Lis-2?

As to gold - Poland produces 3 tons a year as sideline. Close to irrelevant.
But over a thousand tons of silver ...

Supporting Franco means keeping down the disgusting communists!

Yup,it would be hard.But,commies are disgusting.
Pity,that we could not send our Antifa to fight forsoviets there !
Wait,maybe we could? they should be stupid enough to belive in good spanish commies.
 
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Buba

A total creep
Name, same engine but under a different name produced in the USSR as in Poland.
I had to dig around - you mean the VK-1 not KV-1 ...
Whether by measuring examples in museums or using possibly surviving documentation, still a year or two before mass made. But I guestimate it to be fully possible. And, in the late '30s, a war winner :)
 
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ATP

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I had to dig around - you mean the VK-1 not KV-1 ...
Whether by measuring examples in museums or using possibly surviving documentation, still a year or two before mass made. But I guestimate it to be fully possible. And, in the late '30s, a war winner :)
In Kraów they still have engine for Mig 21,and in Warsaw F.5 get from Vietnam.
Could produce F.5 with that engine in few years.

P.S There are 2 F.5,both in Kraków,and,even more important,one Cessna A 37 light bomber - but it could made 816km/h,and take 890kg of bombs.

So,for 1940 when we could produce it,real killer.

Fighter for VK-1 engine - maybe something better then Mig 15? sweden had something like that,Saab J 32 i think,but do we have plans?
 
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Buba

A total creep
Having plans i.e. blueprints/documentation is VERY important.
Reverse engineering sometimes works - Soviets with B-29 or the Germans with the MG-42, and sometimes it doesn't - e.g. USA with the MG-42.
As to reverse engineering jets - look at Chinese efforts - a mixed bag AFAIK, and not very impressive.
 

Buba

A total creep
MG-42 documentation was destroyed at the end of the war. The post-war MG-3 was made by measuring surviving MG-42's.
@Batrix2070 correction, some sources say "taken by Soviets" and not destroyed. Does not alter Rheinmetal having to reverse engineer the thing. And not MG-3 but MG-1 - the former is an evolved version of the latter.
 
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bintananth

behind a desk
Having plans i.e. blueprints/documentation is VERY important.
Reverse engineering sometimes works - Soviets with B-29 or the Germans with the MG-42, and sometimes it doesn't - e.g. USA with the MG-42.
As to reverse engineering jets - look at Chinese efforts - a mixed bag AFAIK, and not very impressive.
With an aircraft the hard part of reverse-engineering isn't the engine or airframe. It's the controls and everything else.

A replica of an Me-262 isn't hard if you can disassemble and replicate an intact airframe. Making one that's actually flyable can be done with a pair of non-afterburning General Electric J85 gas turbines ... but that'll be an absolute bitch-and-a-half because you'll need about an entire ton of deadweight lead ballast, throttle-limit the J85's to about 2/3 thrust, and restrict the J85s throttle response so the replica doesn't tear itself apart.
 
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Poland Rule World!

ATP

Well-known member
OMAKE

I am shitty writer,so i use @Batrix2070 entry with changed date :

Third Republic of Poland
October 1, 5000BC
General Staff of the Polish Army



"Mr. Prime Minister, Mr. President, Mr. Minister, thank you for coming immediately." said four-star Polish Army General Rajmund Andrzejczak, Chief of General Staff of the Polish Army to Morawiecki, Duda and Minister of National Defense Mariusz Błaszczak.

We are in Neolith,so our glorious army arleady defeated bigget threat,Chieftain Gluk and his 100 man strong horde,loosing one injured soldier./He laugh too much/
Now,Europe is ours,and world would be in next 200 years.
Thanks to woodwitch Mug,we have potion to live for ever,so our Prezes would rule Galaxy one day!

And,that is what happened.Prezez ruled Galaxy winning one election after another,although descendents of Donald Tusk always claimed that they would win next.

Happy End,PIS forever !
 
Tygodniówka (Weekly)

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
October 4, 1938
Third Republic of Poland
Internet


Going back in time caused a lot of confusion as well as destruction, especially on the Internet. Although the whole thing was designed to be immune to a sudden network rupture, because after all it was created in the face of nuclear strikes, the sudden loss of everything that wasn't in Poland on the servers was painful.

The collapse of the entire social structure, built about popular social networks, has taken place. Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and the like but foreign sites that did not have servers in Poland disappeared as if someone had erased them with an eraser. Along with them, all the vast Internet wealth that had been accumulated there also disappeared.

Fortunately, very quickly national services stepped into the gap created. The first of these was Albicla, until recently a much derided alternative to Twitter and Facebook and widely forgotten. Now that both competitors are gone, people have begun to move to this site en masse and rebuild what was lost.

Wykop also survived no small earthquake, nevertheless the biggest winner was the government's Swipeto service, which took over the role of the shabby Youtube from which survived the scraps preserved on a Google server in Warsaw. The government, seeing an opportunity, nationalized those remnants and incorporated the surviving YT infrastructure into Swipeto. And the rest of the Polish branch of the Google Corporation was turned into a joint stock company owned by the State Treasury, leaving the existing name although striking Poland from the company's name.

The Swipeto site itself, so far almost unknown in Poland, began to grow like mush as a result of the government's propaganda campaign on TVP. Even despite the considerable reluctance of a not insignificant number of people, it turned out that the only effective way to release videos to the web was to go to this site.

All the former youtubers came in crowds, and with them also came their fans who began to fill the site with activity. Which, of course, caused an overload of servers not designed for such significant user activity.

Among them was a certain Jarosław Wolski, an analyst, OSINT specialist and heavy military equipment speculator. He moved with the Wolski on War channel to Swipeto, where he resumed operations after quickly flipping the videos he kept on his disks, from YT. Of course, informing his viewers where he is currently located.

"Good morning Dawid, we've been away for a while, haven't we?" asked Jarosław cheerfully of his co-host of the weekly broadcast, called very originally "Weekly".

"Well, yes, we were not there for that time. Although a lot has happened." countered Dawid Kamizela, a well-known co-host and incidentally doing his bit as a complainer against all the MON's bad and worse ideas.

"Well very much so, this weekly will be one of the longest we will do, nevertheless one of the most informative and thus very necessary in these difficult times we are having now." replied Wolski.

Kamizela sighed in response and looked to the side as if searching for the right words to answer this. He had... his extremely... interesting opinion on the subject.
"I see that you are extremely satisfied with the situation." joked Wolski, Kamizela rolled his eyes.

"Well, let's start perhaps with some good news, and it's from your plot." began Wolski, "Orka, we will finally get new submarines for the Navy after so many years. What do you think, Dawid?"

Kamizela vetoed before replying, "That it's ironic."

"Irony?" asked Wolski, puzzled by the answer.

"Yes, the irony. Because what do you want to call the fact that eventually our ORP Orzeł will be replaced by her grandmother? In a way, we went back to the beginning of the submarine service in our Navy." replied Kamizela.

"Well, I would call it luck in misfortune." Wolski replied.

"You can call it that, too." agreed Kamizela.

"So you don't mind the enlistment of the OORP Orzeł and Sęp?" queried Wolski

"No, I don't. Although I see some problems arising somewhat from the different doctrine that the navy had at the time, I see it as a point of emphasis and upholding the navy's competence in this area." explained Kamizela

"And the announcement of the production of more, modernized admittedly but nevertheless, of this class of ship in Polish shipyards?"

Kamizela paused before replying, "Well, I can see the problems in this idea here. Though I understand where the idea came from, though."

"In securing the foundation for the production of more advanced submarines to come?" asked Wolski, tight-lipped.

"Yes, it is much cheaper than trying to develop the whole thing from scratch on your own." replied Kamizela.

"Well, for now it's enough to pat only more Eagles." Wolski added.

"Well, in a nutshell let's say." agreed Kamizela.

"Okay, so that means you don't have any major comments on this MON idea here?" asked Wolski.

"No, I don't have any bigger ones. In fact, what else is there to add? There is a crisis, and a significant one at that, and our needs have increased by leaps and bounds. Of course, I could add that neither the Red Fleet nor the Kriegmarine need to be afraid because our aviation as well as radars will allow us to effortlessly sink everything in the Baltic. Nevertheless, we should not rest on our laurels." replied Kamizela.

"I agree." Wolski added, then moved on to the next topic. "Okay, and now the Kania program which is, for those who don't already know, the program for a new propeller plane acting as a mass fighter-bomber, and the Jastrząb program which is a new-age multi-role jet based on the F-16. What do you think?"
Kamizela made an unsteady face before replying, "How about starting with Kania?"

"Okay, let's be Kania. What is your opinion of this program?"

"Unnecessary." began Kamizela "The whole program is about designing an aircraft that will be obsolete by the time it enters service anyway. I don't know why they want to spend money on the whole program. In my opinion, it would be much better to direct all efforts to the Hawk to accelerate the appearance of domestic jets, while by the time this is achieved our Air Force as well as air defense should be sufficient to combat any threat."

"Time." replied Wolski, Kamizela made a wry face to which Wolski continued "Time, money and scale of production. First of all, such an aircraft will be able to be designed and put into series production in two-three years. Two, it will be much cheaper than a jet this gives the third important point the number of such machines produced versus jets. By the time we develop a working jet, we will have hundreds of ordinary aircraft capable of defending our skies."

"Two-three years is a very ambitious deadline, even for an obsolete aircraft." replied Kamizela distrustfully.

"Nevertheless, much more realistic than waiting more than a decade for a new jet. Especially since we will be able to export such aircraft abroad. PZL is already a solid brand at this time, many of our existing customers will be interested in a 'modern' design for their air forces. Especially since now, we can produce such machines much more cheaply."

"It depends." muttered Kamizela.

"Well it is known that it depends on the wishes of the buyer what he wants to put there in the fuselage. Nevertheless, for a comparable price, they will have a much better aircraft. Better than anything else in the world." replied Wolski, confident that he was right.

"PGZ, made you say that, didn't it?" Kamizela asked jokingly, referring to the fact that Wolski worked with the Polish Armaments Group.

"No, that's just my opinion." replied catching Wolski's joke. "Okay, and as for the Hawk. Do you have any objections?" added Wolski.

"Not very, well unless you want to consider as one of them the question of why we are dividing forces into two projects instead of full power into one. And the premise itself, i.e. the production of jets at home, I think is the only correct one in the current circumstances."

"I guess now you regret the lack of competence to produce the FA-50 in Poland?" asked Wolski, remembering his aversion to the machine.

"Don't even remind me of that." replied Kamizela.

"But you wouldn't mind?" added Wolski

"No, in fishlessness and cancer, fish." concluded Kamizela.

"I understand." replied Wolski, nodding his head before changing the subject. "Okay, let's now move on to the main course of the episode. That is, the incorporation of more than ten Infantry Divisions and five Cavalry Brigades into the Modern Polish Army."

"I don't see it." quickly interjected Kamizela

"What don't you see?" asked Wolski

"This incarnation is loading so many people with a different mentality, thinking in us the current military system, a system designed by people with a different mentality at a different technological level." replied Kamizela.

"Dawid." began Wolski, "do you realize how many there are?"

"Well, about 90 thousand." replied Kamizela

"That's right, about 90,000, together with our current 160,000 it gives us about 250,000 that is, to the assumed 300,000-strong army, we have about 50,000 left. A number as manageable as possible for us."

"Jarek, it's just that they are torn from their reality and put into a completely alien one. A reality that will be difficult for them to understand, and yet they will have to use new equipment as well as communicate with people who look at the world completely differently."

"David, think for a moment. These people have been torn away from what they know, the unemployed in the Borderlands are not in short supply, do you seriously think they will leave such a good place? For them the current paycheck, housing and the like that our modern ND provides is unimaginable. In fact, if they don't want to languish in civilian life, they will be forced to stay in the army and adapt as best they can. It's a choice between living a dignified life or starving and looking for work. After all, you know what kind of economic crisis has gotten us, it will take some time before we get back to the way we were before the retreat. The military, on the other hand, is a constant oasis of calm in these times."

"Well, but..." began Kamizela

"David, we need them and they need us. Do you know how much a salary of 4,500 zloty means to them? It's cosmos, for something like that in the Borderlands you can support a family of eight."

"Well, it's just that the current zloty is worth much less than theirs." objected Kamizela.

"Yes, but people have trouble understanding the difference but for that the number will be higher. So many will come to the recruitment points. Either way, we will end up with a whole lot of people with a different thinking, mentality, for whom the current technology is magic."

"Jarek, ok, I understand only there will be terrible problems and you know very well how our Ministry of Defense has trouble solving them." replied Kamizela to Wolski's tirade.

"Sure, it's just that these are things to grasp, so to speak. Anyway, you can see that since the beginning of the year, the Ministry of Defense, has taken the plunge and now that it is no longer abroad, it can no longer sow pears in ashes." replied Wolski "He has to do it anyway." He added after a moment, "Because we are between a hammer and an anvil, and if they fail it will be a massacre. And as far as I know, everyone up there realizes this."

"It's a shame that not everyone in politics has caught on to this." muttered Kamizela mockingly, referring to the total opposition's protests against the cancellation of the elections.
"Eh, let's get over politics. This is not the time or place for that." chimed in Wolski.

"Right, let's get back on topic." agreed Kamizela.

"So, in summary, you think integrating these soldiers is a stupid idea?"

"That's right, a big gap mentally, technologically as well as the fact that they will all have to be rearmed with new weapons and equipment which the Ministry of Defense has a problem with all the time. I think the MON's plan to maintain these 10 divisions will backfire." countered Kamizela

"Well, I'm of good cheer." Wolski replied.

"And why is that?" quipped Kamizela

"Well, the first Bald of the Republic, he found himself in the Borderlands. It turned out that at the time of the transfer he was resting at his estate in Baranowicze." Said Wolski mysteriously, "From what I've learned, the whole matter of integration takes on a life of its own."

"Who are you talking about?" quipped Kamizela.

"You'll find out in a few days." Said Wolski "The matter is confidential, I can only suggest who it is."

"I understand," said Kamizela slowly, while in his head the cogs began to work.

"Okay, let's move on to your next plot, the sea. I've heard from the birds that the Navy wants to adapt the new Kormorans II for anti-submarine warfare. What do you think?" asked Wolski, interrupting Kamizela's musings.

This one, he put a finger to his chin in thoughtfulness. "I think it's ... an intriguing idea. The submarines of the time are noisy, and both of our opponents really have a lot of them. Moreover, mine warfare in the Baltic seems obvious, especially from the Soviet side. Using a mine destroyer as a base for an ASW ship, makes sense in our sea area. Of course, it's not as good as a frigate, but we'll get more Kormorans much faster than our Swordfish."

"Well with the Mieczniks there will be quite a problem." agreed Wolski

"Well, yes, the whole thing will have to be redesigned, if not, even start the program from scratch. Well sad, but what can we do? Unfortunately, we have to try to build such a ship from the blocks we have." concluded Kamizela sadly.

"As with everything, by the way." Wolski concluded, there was a moment of silence before Wolski took another subject.

"Okay, the next thing is..."
 
Marshal and Prezes

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
October 4, 1938
Warsaw
Nowogrodzka Street


A bald man in his prime, bedecked with medals sat comfortably in an armchair, opposite him sat behind his desk, the new Warden commonly known as the Prezes. He had not expected this when he left Warsaw a few weeks ago for his estate in Baranowicze to rest for a few days.

News of what happened in Warsaw as well as the rest of Poland before the Bug River reached him late. He learned about it from the local newspaper. For a while he thought someone was playing a joke on him, but a conversation with Kleeberg, who visited Warsaw barely a day later after the incident, showed that it was not someone's joke.

At first he did not know what to do, before deciding to send a letter on Kleeberg's advice to their Prezes. In that letter, he asked for the possibility of a meeting as well as informed that regardless of the political situation, he places himself at the disposal of the current Polish authorities. Before he got a reply, he took care of what he did best, quickly regrouping the remainder of his military as well as civilian forces for after all he was the highest available state dignitary at hand.

He also spoke with envoys from Warsaw who wanted to proceed as soon as possible with the integration of the Polish states as well as the armed forces. He particularly enjoyed talking with the future Commander-in-Chief and Chief of the General Staff, General Rajmund Andrzejczak. They quickly found common ground on all sorts of topics, including one extremely heavy one.

September campaign, he botched it all the way, although Andrzejczak tried to convince that he was not so guilty. Though many would say otherwise, for the sake of principle. Marshal himself had a different opinion from his interlocutor, closer to his opponents.

Well, nothing, it confirmed his fears from two years ago, how he got this job and this rank. That he was simply not fit, that there were better people than him. But politics won out over reason, fortunately now he doesn't have to carry that burden, because there are already others who will do it better than he did, or at least are learned from his own mistakes.

"A sense of guilt overwhelms you." spoke up Kaczyński, Rydz-Śmigły was astonished that it was the son of the young Rajmund Kaczyński and grandson of Aleksander, his acquaintance the director of the railroad in Baranowicze, who was the new Piłsudski. "Although an event for which you should be blamed has not yet happened," he said.

Marshal could not agree "They may not have happened, but they are the consequences of the decisions I made. General Andrzejczak, by the way, gave me a lecture on what I did wrong, and all in all, while some things I could not foresee, because it is a novelty so some issues I could." Kaczyński nodded slowly absorbing every word of the Marshal "Anyway, what could I have done this year? This is too late to make decisions capable of quickly making up for the shortfall. And then there was the problem of money, I couldn't conjure it up and I didn't even know myself, and I trusted that Kwiatkowski and Mościcki knew how to work it out. In short, decisions from earlier years took their revenge on me in 1939."

Kaczyński looked into the Marshal's eyes, and for a moment Rydz had the impression that he was trying to screen him before the Prezes spoke up. "Well, you could have made one decision that would have been able to avoid the tragedy, or at least redirect it to someone else."

Marshal squirmed "Czechoslovakia, right?" He was well acquainted with the consequences of the decision made at the time not to support Czechoslovakia, and even to take back from it lands that were of course rightfully due to Poland and which the Czechs shamelessly stole and Polish prisoners of war from the broken unit defending Cieszyn Silesia simply murdered. Fucking hypocrites, first they pissed off all their neighbors and now they cry for rescue. Nevertheless, the effect was to lengthen the defensive lines to such an extent that defense became impossible or at least extremely difficult.

"Yes," agreed the Prezes.

"One could," the Marshal began slowly, "make a different decision. Nevertheless, the Czechs and their naive trust in Britain and the Soviets took their revenge. How did they imagine it? That the British would help them militarily? And supposedly with what? The British Army is a joke, while there is not and will not be an option that the Soviet scum will enter Poland even if only in transit to Czechoslovakia."

"Anyway," the Marshal continued, "for what they did in Zaolzie they should have had a kick in the ass and not saved their skin. Scabby bastards, they pissed off every one of their neighbors and thought they could get away with it."

Kaczyński nodded, "Well, unfortunately, the world works in such a way that every decision made will be met with consequences, sometimes distant in time and sometimes sudden. Although it happens that these consequences are avoided because the situation made it necessary to take a different approach."

"It happens," agreed Marshal, "But try talking to the Czechs yourself, you will find out very quickly how stubborn they are."

The Prezes giggled, "Mr. Marshal, don't worry about that. I guarantee you that the Czechs will be very nice to us."

The Marshal raised his right eyebrow "Is that so?" he nodded "I'd love to see what way you came up with to pacify them."

"You will be pleased," replied the Prezes, then changed the subject "Well, let's deal with your letter. It took a while for it to reach me, unfortunately the modern Polish Post Office is a shadow of the one from your time."

"I've heard, it stems from this new invention. Electronic mail? Internet mail? Why go about it as efficiently when much of today's mail goes a different way." replied the Marshal, who was keenly fascinated by the possibilities offered by modern technology, especially in the field of communications. In this way he could coordinate the troops much better, which was his first and main request to Andrzejczak. The latter said that he would try to arrange, if possible, for the right equipment, and if necessary provide a direct contact to the companies that produce it, nevertheless needing the government's approval for these activities.

Rydz, on the other hand, knew exactly whose approval was needed to get the government moving.

"Right," agreed Kaczyński slowly. He knew little about it, indeed he didn't even need it, he had people for that. Which, by the way, was one of the arguments the opposition used against him, i.e. he has no bank account, no e-mail account, no driver's license and no car, and lives alone with his cat. That he doesn't speak foreign languages is also common knowledge. So what? After all, he's just such an old grandpa, playing the whole stupid opposition as he wants. He uses only those tools that are useful, and as a rule, he takes advantage of others, such as Fogiel.

"Okay, let's get back to the topic." Kaczyński added, redirecting the conversation back to the old tracks.
"You say in your letter that you are still willing to serve the Republic under any but a useful post, although you shun the highest posts and say you are willing to be demoted to general if necessary?"

"Yes," agreed Rydz-Śmigły.

"That solves ... a lot of problems with your person. I thought you would be more firm." Kaczyński replied.

"Mr. Prezes, with all due respect. There are important things and more important things. For me, the previous policy has died, I am a complete stranger in the current one. I am not much needed as a figure of the Hetman* in this chess game, you have your own. Nevertheless, I see that I am still needed by the homeland, so I want to continue to serve it. Who better to convince Borderland officers and privates to stay in the army than me? Who will do a better job of encouraging people to join the ranks of the Polish Army?" replied the Marshal.

"Well true, you have the right contacts as well as a reputation to accomplish this without any problem. Which, by the way, is a relief for us, because we can rely on an idealistic patriot and expert in this matter." agreed the Prezes.

"I wouldn't call myself a professional, I'm a philosopher and a painter rather. In the military, I am rather self-taught." replied the Marshal modestly, "Especially since they are the main and target military action, I lost." he added gloomily.

"After all, you were an excellent general!" disagreed the Prezes.

"Well, precisely, a general, not a Marshal. It is to my knowledge, above my league and the only person I could learn from was another self-taught man, Marshal Piłsudski. He most likely would have been able to do better than I did myself." replied Rydz.

"Then you will learn. We have a full-fledged academy and trained specialists, they will try to patch up your gaps." said the Prezes in a firm tone.

The marshal wanted to answer something, but after a moment he frowned. Nothing to add, nothing to take away.

The Prezes noted this, with satisfaction. "Well, going on, you are also needed by me personally," he said.

"You mean?" asked Rydz.

"The point is that, we only know the past from what has been written down, and yet there is little less information, if not more that is not known because no one has written it down taking it for granted. I need people who will serve me as well as the government as an eye and ear for this era. Therefore, I have a vision for you to serve, in addition to a fig leaf in the framework of integration, as an officer or minister for civil-military affairs of this era." Kaczyński explained.

"I understand." replied Rydz slowly catching on about the Prezes. "For the fatherland everything, Mr. Prezes." he replied satisfying Kaczynski with his answer. "Even if I have to make for a living museum exhibit." he added jokingly.

Kaczyński laughed at the comparison.


*It is about the Queen, in Polish instead of her in chess there is traditionally a Hetman. Nevertheless, it is the same figure under a different name.
 

ATP

Well-known member
October 4, 1938
Third Republic of Poland
Internet


Going back in time caused a lot of confusion as well as destruction, especially on the Internet. Although the whole thing was designed to be immune to a sudden network rupture, because after all it was created in the face of nuclear strikes, the sudden loss of everything that wasn't in Poland on the servers was painful.

The collapse of the entire social structure, built about popular social networks, has taken place. Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and the like but foreign sites that did not have servers in Poland disappeared as if someone had erased them with an eraser. Along with them, all the vast Internet wealth that had been accumulated there also disappeared.

Fortunately, very quickly national services stepped into the gap created. The first of these was Albicla, until recently a much derided alternative to Twitter and Facebook and widely forgotten. Now that both competitors are gone, people have begun to move to this site en masse and rebuild what was lost.

Wykop also survived no small earthquake, nevertheless the biggest winner was the government's Swipeto service, which took over the role of the shabby Youtube from which survived the scraps preserved on a Google server in Warsaw. The government, seeing an opportunity, nationalized those remnants and incorporated the surviving YT infrastructure into Swipeto. And the rest of the Polish branch of the Google Corporation was turned into a joint stock company owned by the State Treasury, leaving the existing name although striking Poland from the company's name.

The Swipeto site itself, so far almost unknown in Poland, began to grow like mush as a result of the government's propaganda campaign on TVP. Even despite the considerable reluctance of a not insignificant number of people, it turned out that the only effective way to release videos to the web was to go to this site.

All the former youtubers came in crowds, and with them also came their fans who began to fill the site with activity. Which, of course, caused an overload of servers not designed for such significant user activity.

Among them was a certain Jarosław Wolski, an analyst, OSINT specialist and heavy military equipment speculator. He moved with the Wolski on War channel to Swipeto, where he resumed operations after quickly flipping the videos he kept on his disks, from YT. Of course, informing his viewers where he is currently located.

"Good morning Dawid, we've been away for a while, haven't we?" asked Jarosław cheerfully of his co-host of the weekly broadcast, called very originally "Weekly".

"Well, yes, we were not there for that time. Although a lot has happened." countered Dawid Kamizela, a well-known co-host and incidentally doing his bit as a complainer against all the MON's bad and worse ideas.

"Well very much so, this weekly will be one of the longest we will do, nevertheless one of the most informative and thus very necessary in these difficult times we are having now." replied Wolski.

Kamizela sighed in response and looked to the side as if searching for the right words to answer this. He had... his extremely... interesting opinion on the subject.
"I see that you are extremely satisfied with the situation." joked Wolski, Kamizela rolled his eyes.

"Well, let's start perhaps with some good news, and it's from your plot." began Wolski, "Orka, we will finally get new submarines for the Navy after so many years. What do you think, Dawid?"

Kamizela vetoed before replying, "That it's ironic."

"Irony?" asked Wolski, puzzled by the answer.

"Yes, the irony. Because what do you want to call the fact that eventually our ORP Orzeł will be replaced by her grandmother? In a way, we went back to the beginning of the submarine service in our Navy." replied Kamizela.

"Well, I would call it luck in misfortune." Wolski replied.

"You can call it that, too." agreed Kamizela.

"So you don't mind the enlistment of the OORP Orzeł and Sęp?" queried Wolski

"No, I don't. Although I see some problems arising somewhat from the different doctrine that the navy had at the time, I see it as a point of emphasis and upholding the navy's competence in this area." explained Kamizela

"And the announcement of the production of more, modernized admittedly but nevertheless, of this class of ship in Polish shipyards?"

Kamizela paused before replying, "Well, I can see the problems in this idea here. Though I understand where the idea came from, though."

"In securing the foundation for the production of more advanced submarines to come?" asked Wolski, tight-lipped.

"Yes, it is much cheaper than trying to develop the whole thing from scratch on your own." replied Kamizela.

"Well, for now it's enough to pat only more Eagles." Wolski added.

"Well, in a nutshell let's say." agreed Kamizela.

"Okay, so that means you don't have any major comments on this MON idea here?" asked Wolski.

"No, I don't have any bigger ones. In fact, what else is there to add? There is a crisis, and a significant one at that, and our needs have increased by leaps and bounds. Of course, I could add that neither the Red Fleet nor the Kriegmarine need to be afraid because our aviation as well as radars will allow us to effortlessly sink everything in the Baltic. Nevertheless, we should not rest on our laurels." replied Kamizela.

"I agree." Wolski added, then moved on to the next topic. "Okay, and now the Kania program which is, for those who don't already know, the program for a new propeller plane acting as a mass fighter-bomber, and the Jastrząb program which is a new-age multi-role jet based on the F-16. What do you think?"
Kamizela made an unsteady face before replying, "How about starting with Kania?"

"Okay, let's be Kania. What is your opinion of this program?"

"Unnecessary." began Kamizela "The whole program is about designing an aircraft that will be obsolete by the time it enters service anyway. I don't know why they want to spend money on the whole program. In my opinion, it would be much better to direct all efforts to the Hawk to accelerate the appearance of domestic jets, while by the time this is achieved our Air Force as well as air defense should be sufficient to combat any threat."

"Time." replied Wolski, Kamizela made a wry face to which Wolski continued "Time, money and scale of production. First of all, such an aircraft will be able to be designed and put into series production in two-three years. Two, it will be much cheaper than a jet this gives the third important point the number of such machines produced versus jets. By the time we develop a working jet, we will have hundreds of ordinary aircraft capable of defending our skies."

"Two-three years is a very ambitious deadline, even for an obsolete aircraft." replied Kamizela distrustfully.

"Nevertheless, much more realistic than waiting more than a decade for a new jet. Especially since we will be able to export such aircraft abroad. PZL is already a solid brand at this time, many of our existing customers will be interested in a 'modern' design for their air forces. Especially since now, we can produce such machines much more cheaply."

"It depends." muttered Kamizela.

"Well it is known that it depends on the wishes of the buyer what he wants to put there in the fuselage. Nevertheless, for a comparable price, they will have a much better aircraft. Better than anything else in the world." replied Wolski, confident that he was right.

"PGZ, made you say that, didn't it?" Kamizela asked jokingly, referring to the fact that Wolski worked with the Polish Armaments Group.

"No, that's just my opinion." replied catching Wolski's joke. "Okay, and as for the Hawk. Do you have any objections?" added Wolski.

"Not very, well unless you want to consider as one of them the question of why we are dividing forces into two projects instead of full power into one. And the premise itself, i.e. the production of jets at home, I think is the only correct one in the current circumstances."

"I guess now you regret the lack of competence to produce the FA-50 in Poland?" asked Wolski, remembering his aversion to the machine.

"Don't even remind me of that." replied Kamizela.

"But you wouldn't mind?" added Wolski

"No, in fishlessness and cancer, fish." concluded Kamizela.

"I understand." replied Wolski, nodding his head before changing the subject. "Okay, let's now move on to the main course of the episode. That is, the incorporation of more than ten Infantry Divisions and five Cavalry Brigades into the Modern Polish Army."

"I don't see it." quickly interjected Kamizela

"What don't you see?" asked Wolski

"This incarnation is loading so many people with a different mentality, thinking in us the current military system, a system designed by people with a different mentality at a different technological level." replied Kamizela.

"Dawid." began Wolski, "do you realize how many there are?"

"Well, about 90 thousand." replied Kamizela

"That's right, about 90,000, together with our current 160,000 it gives us about 250,000 that is, to the assumed 300,000-strong army, we have about 50,000 left. A number as manageable as possible for us."

"Jarek, it's just that they are torn from their reality and put into a completely alien one. A reality that will be difficult for them to understand, and yet they will have to use new equipment as well as communicate with people who look at the world completely differently."

"David, think for a moment. These people have been torn away from what they know, the unemployed in the Borderlands are not in short supply, do you seriously think they will leave such a good place? For them the current paycheck, housing and the like that our modern ND provides is unimaginable. In fact, if they don't want to languish in civilian life, they will be forced to stay in the army and adapt as best they can. It's a choice between living a dignified life or starving and looking for work. After all, you know what kind of economic crisis has gotten us, it will take some time before we get back to the way we were before the retreat. The military, on the other hand, is a constant oasis of calm in these times."

"Well, but..." began Kamizela

"David, we need them and they need us. Do you know how much a salary of 4,500 zloty means to them? It's cosmos, for something like that in the Borderlands you can support a family of eight."

"Well, it's just that the current zloty is worth much less than theirs." objected Kamizela.

"Yes, but people have trouble understanding the difference but for that the number will be higher. So many will come to the recruitment points. Either way, we will end up with a whole lot of people with a different thinking, mentality, for whom the current technology is magic."

"Jarek, ok, I understand only there will be terrible problems and you know very well how our Ministry of Defense has trouble solving them." replied Kamizela to Wolski's tirade.

"Sure, it's just that these are things to grasp, so to speak. Anyway, you can see that since the beginning of the year, the Ministry of Defense, has taken the plunge and now that it is no longer abroad, it can no longer sow pears in ashes." replied Wolski "He has to do it anyway." He added after a moment, "Because we are between a hammer and an anvil, and if they fail it will be a massacre. And as far as I know, everyone up there realizes this."

"It's a shame that not everyone in politics has caught on to this." muttered Kamizela mockingly, referring to the total opposition's protests against the cancellation of the elections.
"Eh, let's get over politics. This is not the time or place for that." chimed in Wolski.

"Right, let's get back on topic." agreed Kamizela.

"So, in summary, you think integrating these soldiers is a stupid idea?"

"That's right, a big gap mentally, technologically as well as the fact that they will all have to be rearmed with new weapons and equipment which the Ministry of Defense has a problem with all the time. I think the MON's plan to maintain these 10 divisions will backfire." countered Kamizela

"Well, I'm of good cheer." Wolski replied.

"And why is that?" quipped Kamizela

"Well, the first Bald of the Republic, he found himself in the Borderlands. It turned out that at the time of the transfer he was resting at his estate in Baranowicze." Said Wolski mysteriously, "From what I've learned, the whole matter of integration takes on a life of its own."

"Who are you talking about?" quipped Kamizela.

"You'll find out in a few days." Said Wolski "The matter is confidential, I can only suggest who it is."

"I understand," said Kamizela slowly, while in his head the cogs began to work.

"Okay, let's move on to your next plot, the sea. I've heard from the birds that the Navy wants to adapt the new Kormorans II for anti-submarine warfare. What do you think?" asked Wolski, interrupting Kamizela's musings.

This one, he put a finger to his chin in thoughtfulness. "I think it's ... an intriguing idea. The submarines of the time are noisy, and both of our opponents really have a lot of them. Moreover, mine warfare in the Baltic seems obvious, especially from the Soviet side. Using a mine destroyer as a base for an ASW ship, makes sense in our sea area. Of course, it's not as good as a frigate, but we'll get more Kormorans much faster than our Swordfish."

"Well with the Mieczniks there will be quite a problem." agreed Wolski

"Well, yes, the whole thing will have to be redesigned, if not, even start the program from scratch. Well sad, but what can we do? Unfortunately, we have to try to build such a ship from the blocks we have." concluded Kamizela sadly.

"As with everything, by the way." Wolski concluded, there was a moment of silence before Wolski took another subject.

"Okay, the next thing is..."


Why wait 10 years for F.16,when we have F.5 and Mig 21 engine?
We could made in in3-4 years,and turn into F.20 later.

And Rydz-Śmigły is there? i hope,that they treat him like Home Army did in OTL.
We do not need idiots.Especially cowardly ones.

Shit.Prezes hired him.WQe are doomed.
 
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Why wait 10 years for F.16,when we have F.5 and Mig 21 engine?
We could made in in3-4 years,and turn into F.20 later.
These are their assumptions, based on what they know. They don't expect the Jastrząb program to be a veritable compilation of parts.
And Rydz-Śmigły is there? i hope,that they treat him like Home Army did in OTL.
We do not need idiots.Especially cowardly ones.
I recommend reading another chapter today, and not repeating after the giertych-communist propaganda.
 
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These are their assumptions, based on what they know. They don't expect the Jastrząb program to be a veritable compilation of parts.

I recommend reading another chapter today, and not repeating after the giertych-communist propaganda.
Rydz-Śmigły have good plan to deal with germans/even if it not save us/ - attack on flank,bigger Bzura.We have plans for that.
He failed to do so.
He hide on border instead of go to Lwów and command from there.
When soviets come,he ordered not to fight them and run.
Blood of all those send to gulags or mass graves who could fight in on his hands.

About propaganda - when he was still in Brześć,Kleeberg come for orders,but he was plaing bridge with friends.
Kleeberg then kneel and started praing.
When Rydz finally come,he widraw at once.
That is from Kleeberg,not Giertych.
 

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RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Rydz-Śmigły have good plan to deal with germans/even if it not save us/ - attack on flank,bigger Bzura.We have plans for that.
He failed to do so.
He hide on border instead of go to Lwów and command from there.
When soviets come,he ordered not to fight them and run.
Blood of all those send to gulags or mass graves who could fight in on his hands.

About propaganda - when he was still in Brześć,Kleeberg come for orders,but he was plaing bridge with friends.
Kleeberg then kneel and started praing.
When Rydz finally come,he widraw at once.
That is from Kleeberg,not Giertych.
And what was he supposed to do? After all, he didn't even know what was going on at the front; after all, Supreme Commanders don't act as decisively as tactical ones. And when the Soviets entered, he knew that the game was up and, misled by Beck, that he could evacuate the government to the West. He decided to salvage what he could.

Unfortunately for him, it turned out that there would be no escape route. Which, of course, ended in a blunder for himself. And Sikorski and the Allies had no reason not to smear him and blame him for the defeat.

If he had come to the West, then as the obviously legitimate Commander-in-Chief, he would have had the right and enough power to force an answer from the Allies as to why he was misled. Particularly since, unlike Sikorski, he was not externally steered by a foreign influence. Hence, no one tried to pull him out of Romania and whether the first opportunity arose, he was disposed of quietly.

Let's not forget, he returned to Poland secretly, wanting to act in conspiracy. What kind of coward would have done that? Especially since his face was no secret.

Especially since I have the irresistible impression that he will be a person of much higher regard and reason. He would not have allowed the Warsaw Uprising to break out, unlike Bór-Komorowski. And he would even be quite paranoid, remembering how he was misled by those around him about the Soviets' intentions.

And he would have kept the entire Operation "Burza" to a minimum, and would have sought to ensure that the AK soldiers avoided contact with the Soviets as much as possible, having already had experience of what happened in 1939. At the same time, I advise you to recall that he recommended avoiding combat as much as possible. He did not say not to fight them when there was no other option.
 
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Woooooo what a read.

Being basically illiterate, this is probably the first Alternate History I've read in a while but it's darn engrossing even if I don't understand all of the wild Polishisms and naming conventions.

Very entertaining and engrossing read.

I doubt the Nazis in this new timeline will be able to save Twitter like they have in ours. :sneaky:
 

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
but it's darn engrossing
Very entertaining and engrossing read.
And thank you, I'm trying. Although, in general, everyone who sees my writing, if they are not negative say the same.

I don't understand all of the wild Polishisms and naming conventions.
First of all, be glad that I chose Modern Poland and not, for example, an invented Republic like the one in the this story. You have a lot of names there that are complete different from this one.

Second, may I know what's giving you trouble? I can always make a dictionary for those interested.
I doubt the Nazis in this new timeline will be able to save Twitter like they have in ours
Which Nazis? And what Twitter? Here the world has just been twisted into polish, with Abicla taking the role of Twitter as a more old and respected part of the Internet.

And seriously, I can confirm that the Left in this world is dead or at least insignificant when their Red Paradise is dismantled and its face shown to the world.
 

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Second, may I know what's giving you trouble? I can always make a dictionary for those interested.

I'm being slightly hyperbolic. But actually a list of the "characters" and their basic roles would be a nice addition IMHO to reference.

Which Nazis? And what Twitter? Here the world has just been twisted into polish, with Abicla taking the role of Twitter as a more old and respected part of the Internet.

Oh I was just making a joke about Elon Musk buying Twitter and it failing in this ISOT. :p
 

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And what was he supposed to do? After all, he didn't even know what was going on at the front; after all, Supreme Commanders don't act as decisively as tactical ones. And when the Soviets entered, he knew that the game was up and, misled by Beck, that he could evacuate the government to the West. He decided to salvage what he could.

Unfortunately for him, it turned out that there would be no escape route. Which, of course, ended in a blunder for himself. And Sikorski and the Allies had no reason not to smear him and blame him for the defeat.

If he had come to the West, then as the obviously legitimate Commander-in-Chief, he would have had the right and enough power to force an answer from the Allies as to why he was misled. Particularly since, unlike Sikorski, he was not externally steered by a foreign influence. Hence, no one tried to pull him out of Romania and whether the first opportunity arose, he was disposed of quietly.

Let's not forget, he returned to Poland secretly, wanting to act in conspiracy. What kind of coward would have done that? Especially since his face was no secret.

Especially since I have the irresistible impression that he will be a person of much higher regard and reason. He would not have allowed the Warsaw Uprising to break out, unlike Bór-Komorowski. And he would even be quite paranoid, remembering how he was misled by those around him about the Soviets' intentions.

And he would have kept the entire Operation "Burza" to a minimum, and would have sought to ensure that the AK soldiers avoided contact with the Soviets as much as possible, having already had experience of what happened in 1939. At the same time, I advise you to recall that he recommended avoiding combat as much as possible. He did not say not to fight them when there was no other option.
He do not knew what was happening,becouse he hide near border.If he was in Lwów,there would be no such problems.
After soviets come,he must declare war and let 400.000 troops we have there against them.
We have ammo for at least month of fighting.
French would must to attack germans,and finish them in month - germans do not have ammo,too.

Later it would be fighting soviets.

Even if allies do not come,he could tetreat after month of succesfull fighting on some plane.LOT have few capable of doing that.
Even Sum prototype would work.

You are right about Uprising and Burza.

Soviets - he simply should say it is war,kill them.
 

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