Musk actually buys Twitter.
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She has breakfast, one meeting, and then lunch.
Their workforce is definitely way over bloated.
I saw I think Matt Walsh talking, and saying if he ran twitter, he would leave all these amenities and then fire anyone who used them lol.
My opinion still stands, if twitter wants to hire a bunch of useless employees and give them all these amenities, that's on them. It's their company. Likewise, if Musk wants to come in and clean house, eliminate the bloat and end a lot of these expensive amenities...it's his company now. It's not profitable, some restructuring is probably necessary.
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bintananth
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... and injure themseves when the trip and land on the pointy end of the shovel.
Typhonis
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Hell, looking at that set up...how much does the fucking building cost to rent or maintain? I mean look at it. Is it a business or a spa? I can understand some creature comforts for employees, like a cafeteria and or break rooms.... but a yoga area? Meditation cubicles?
AnimalNoodles
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It looks more like daycare for adults.
This...right here.
Buba
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As is often the case, the correct answer is "it depends".
If you have employees with profitable skills who perform better (or simply do not ditch you for your competitor) after stretching their gluteus maximus and "getting in touch with their inner child", then such amenities is money well spent.
A business decision.
DarthOne
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im sorry is this a business where adults work or a preschool?
The people complaining about companies providing benefits to their employees, in order to keep and retain talent, really don't get how the tech industry works or how they are able to keep company loyalty from workers.
A lot of companies give side benefits as employment perks, and while free lunchs are a bit out of the norm, if the business is successful and smart they are just written off as a business expense on corporate taxes.
Just because a lot of blue collar jobs don't offer much in the way of non-pay benefits, does not mean the tech industry is so odd for having nice benefits in their offices.
A lot of companies give side benefits as employment perks, and while free lunchs are a bit out of the norm, if the business is successful and smart they are just written off as a business expense on corporate taxes.
Just because a lot of blue collar jobs don't offer much in the way of non-pay benefits, does not mean the tech industry is so odd for having nice benefits in their offices.
Doomsought
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Except those perks aren't actually for the developers, those are for the managers and people who don't actually contribute to the development of the software who party and politic all the time.
. . . No, this isn't a "tech industry" thing. I work in the tech industry, no companies in my region offer amenities like this, and you'd be laughed out of the region if you thought to. My brother also worked for Facebook in New York and they didn't offer amenities like this.
This is a VERY SPECIFIC Silicon Valley workplace cultural thing that is unique to that location. In other major IT regions, such as the DC metro area or New York, companies don't offer this level of amenities to their employees. They may have a cafeteria in the building you can pay for lunch at, and they may have a "quiet room" where people can rest in dark quiet for a bit (this is as opposed to a normal break room which is lit and meant for eating/socializing), but all this free crap is not the norm anywhere BUT Silicon Valley.
Given Silicon Valley is the heart and root of the tech industry, I think it is fair to say the image of the industry is set by what happens there.
So yeah, maybe it doesn't happen at every tech company, but lets not pretend this is so outrageous that comparing it to a preschool is warranted.
The ideas of companies offering non-pay benefits as perks of working there is hardly some outlandish idea, it's just Twitter thought it could afford to do it on a larger level than most.
Bear Ribs
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Given Silicon Valley's importance to the entire tech industry that's roughly like saying "No, this isn't how federal politics work, it's a very specific Washington DC political culture thing."
It's just simply an example of rewarding bad work.
DarthOne
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Exactly!
The NSA doesn't even offer that kinda stuff to its civilian employees.
They do have a lot of good places to eat but that is diffrent then getting it free.
They have a lot if amenities and that's because a lot if people that work there are, and this is not a joke, on the spectrum. So they accommodate the best they can
They do have a lot of good places to eat but that is diffrent then getting it free.
They have a lot if amenities and that's because a lot if people that work there are, and this is not a joke, on the spectrum. So they accommodate the best they can
Silicon Valley's importance to the Tech Industry is overblown. Despite their claims, much of the work for the core parts of technology happened outside of Silicon Valley. The core of the Internet wasn't built there, nor on technologies they developed, it grew out of the Federal computer networks in DC and its suburbs and uses protocols developed around the world. In the late 90s and early 2000s over 90% of internet traffic passed through not California and Silicon Valley, but through Virginia, of all places. Telecommunications, which is the backbone of all the internet, was never Silicon Valley's thing, rather the vast majority of that was Florida, New York, the DC region and Seattle (since telecom is tied heavily to the satellite industry and Silicon Valley ain't been a player there). They are important, sure, but the tech industry is much, MUCH bigger than what they do, and the general work culture in on the East Coast (New York and DC both of which have a lot of tech industry companies) and in Seattle (Microsoft says hello) is very, VERY different to the culture of the Valley to the point where for those of us involved in the industry and who grew up in and around the industry (such as I did... I'm a THIRD GENERATION working in IT industry, on of my grandfathers having worked with the old warehouse sized computers in the 60s and 70s, my father who worked in satellite telecommunications with a focus on the internet, and myself, who works on IT security assessments concerning Federal IT infrastructure) see it as highly anomalous, so no, Silicon Valley's work culture does not set the standard for the industry. It is its own special little bubble of special snowflakes that anywhere outside of the Valley is completely flabbergasted by the ridiculous treatment they're getting.
I look at Silicon Vally as being in the same boat as the rust belt before they went off a cliff.
I can confirm that Intel's campus here in Oregon has pretty extensive employee amenities including some very, very nice cafeterias. Going all in on it is very much a Silicon Valley thing, but given how extreme cost of living is in Silicon Valley, they really *need* to make moving there a sweetheart deal to talk anyone remotely desirable into doing it.
I would also point out that no one ever claimed Silicon Valley was the heart of telecommunications infrastructure; it's literally named Silicon Valley because it's where silicon-based transistors were invented.