United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread

KilroywasNOTHere said:

there is always a chance that I'm wrong about this it would not hurt my feelings if that were the case, but something about this smells all wrong, whether Desantis (or even trump) is in on this, or if everyone is being played, I don't see this going well for America First People if it hopes to keep the current system in tact.

Click to expand...

Well you can't take 200 Million Dollars from the establishment and not be beholden to said establishment.

Sure you can. When they ask you what their money gets them, you answer, "Poor."

Agent23 said:

False dichotomy, dude, the two parties are a false dichotomy.

Libertarianism in its purest form doesn't work, neither will the evangelicalism the tea party was infested with.

What the USA needs, what all of the west needs, is a New Right to eat the old from within and dispose of the bones that are the establishment.

Click to expand...

What the U.S. needs is what its citizens want.

KilroywasNOTHere said:

because it's freaking FOX dude.

Click to expand...

Not evidence in of itself, they are a media outlet which shifts to whatever makes the better headline giving Trump a rival or making a rivalry out of nothing is good for business, but it doesn't change the fact that's normal, the news exists to promote sensationalism or their own self-interest.

KilroywasNOTHere said:

I don't trust anyone in the old guard to be America first especially when they do things such as this.

having had family members who have worked in corporate culture that's not been my experience. As they say "You don't bite the hand that feeds you." and DeSantis (it seems) is being fed by neocons.

Click to expand...

KilroywasNOTHere said:

there is always a chance that I'm wrong about this it would not hurt my feelings if that were the case, but something about this smells all wrong, whether Desantis (or even trump) is in on this, or if everyone is being played, I don't see this going well for America First People if it hopes to keep the current system in tact.

Click to expand...

If we go by that reasoning, we might as well give up on everything. Do you think Trump never received any funding after his nomination and while president? Are we to assume Trump is the only holy figure to ever be in Washington?

If you answered 'no' or 'yes' the issue is the same, Trump is 76 years old if we assume every other 'R' is automatically an enemy who will lead once he passes? Name one of his 'picks' which is as righteous as Trump and suddenly you hit a brick wall.

Hell Desantis has only been in politics four years more than Trump has and he is apparently on par with Pelosi in some's eyes because of it.

Rusty Shackleford said:

What the U.S. needs is what its citizens want.

Click to expand...

Right now they want Brandon and his free gibs.
The Brandon with the dementia, the pedo history and the coke addict son with the shady business deals?
Yeah, that Brandon.

Rusty Shackleford said:

If we go by that reasoning, we might as well give up on everything.

Click to expand...

I have given up on everything. This latest election has shown me that Either A. everything is so helplessly corrupt beyond repair or B. The majority of people are...they are just lemmings and are happy to jump off the cliff without a parachute if it means their team wins.

I'll give you a fair point on the other aspects of your other post.

Could they be anymore obvious?

Duke Nukem said:

Could they be anymore obvious?

Click to expand...

Tell that to the lefties in the comments; they seem to think this is the real deal.

Blasterbot said:

extremely cucked. the Twin cities out vote the rural portion terribly. we are solidly republican everywhere else.

Our AG is known to have been a domestic abuser. as in his partner and her kid came out and told the story and no one cared. he comes down harder on cops than people who spent months committing arson.

one of our senators Ilhan Omar literally married her brother. it was probably just to pull some chain immigration bullshit because husbands can come in sooner than brothers but who knows maybe they banged while married in the eyes of Allah.

our governor was one of the worst when it came to lock downs and he carved out special exceptions for his friends to keep running their businesses while their competitors were forced to close. he literally skipped a debate just because. also the 3rd debate between Walz and Jenson was hilarious. kinda sad too but still they clearly hate each other and the attacks got super personal. apparently under his watch minnesota has had a billion dollars in fraud commited against it through various aid programs it tried to do. my favorite was when the money went to daycare providers and somehow ended up funding terrorist cells in the middle east.

no joke there is a solid blue wall of ignorance and spite. there is no reasoning with them. they only go orange man bad bad bad, desantas tried a don't say gay bill so he is also bad bad bad. republicans are all insert a [Bush era stereotype here]. the middle ground is basically gone. they are either already decided one way or another or they have completely checked out.

Click to expand...

Omar is a CONGRESSWOMAN.

Klobuchar and Smith are UNITED STATES SENATORS!

Rusty Shackleford said:

What the U.S. needs is what its citizens want.

Click to expand...

Half of the US citizenry have just proven themselves as vacuous retards, who are just fine with a failing economy, a pedophile president, a literal vegetable senator, and child mutilators/fuckers in the halls of government.

As long as they get their free gibs, and as long as there are no mean tweets (but apparently blood red speeches are fine), they’re apparently happy to hand the country over to freaks, degenerates, and outright demons.

Half of the American citizens are idiotic cunts, that barely remember to breathe, and I’m honestly ashamed to share a country with them.

Blasterbot said:

one of our senators Ilhan Omar literally married her brother. it was probably just to pull some chain immigration bullshit because husbands can come in sooner than brothers but who knows maybe they banged while married in the eyes of Allah.

Click to expand...

Source?

Terthna said:

After two years of Biden though, anyone capable of rational thought should recognize that Trump is the lesser evil. If they can't? That says to me that they're the sort of person that the media wouldn't have to put much effort into convincing them of anything.

Click to expand...

Except in the eyes of most of America, Trump is the greater evil. It wasn’t Biden who decided to hold a rally and rile it up enough to try and storm the Capitol, or scheme to come up with shady legal theories and no actual evidence of material fraud (no, really, every time his lawyers were invited to submit their claims, they declined because, unlike shooting one’s mouth off at a press conference or on social media, lying in court proceedings carries actual criminal sanctions).

Regardless of what you personally might think of the 2020 election, most Americans feel it was fair and that Trump’s antics were not only ridiculous but downright awful. So, given a choice between a senile moron and a moron who thinks trying to subvert an electoral outcome he doesn’t like, they’re going to vote for the senile guy 10 times out of 10.

Spartan303 said:

I will respectfully disagree. Shaprio has a pretty bad track record of calling these things. I like the guy and I listen to him, but I don't often agree with him and his predictions rarely pan out. Mastriano and Oz weren't defeated due to Trumps endorsements.

Click to expand...

They won the primaries due to it, but they were defeated because they were shit tier candidates. Speaking as someone who lives in the PA media market and has a lot of friends in said state, Mastriano was the lunatic who won because of 1) his base, 2) an opposition split among 12 other candidates, and 3) getting massive funding from the Democrats

Spartan303 said:

The GOP, mainly Mitch McConnell essentially starved their campaigns of money, resources and support.

Click to expand...

That’s a complete lie, at least as far as the general election (you know, the important one) is concerned. In Pennsylvania, for example. McConnell and his aligned PACs spent $57 million to boost Mastriano and Oz. Trump spent a total of $3 million. Wisconsin? McConnell spent $24 million, Trump…$0. Georgia? $38 million by McConnell, $3.4 million (no that isn’t a typo, it’s $3,400,000) by Trump. New Hampshire, $16 million by McConnell vs nothing by Trump (again). Nevada? McConnell spent $26 million, Trump spent $2 million. Oh, and McConnell also dumped in $32 million vs $2.3 million (again, not a typo) by Trump.

So if you want to screech about a certain GOP figure not supporting GOP candidates…well, it’s not McConnell you should be blaming. He’s hoarding the money for himself and doesn’t give a shit about anyone else, not truly. McConnell may have his disagreements but he’s at least smart enough to put party over petty personal beefs.

Spartan303 said:

Trump isn't Poison to the Republican Party. He's the one who has inspired us to win and continues to do so. DeSantis is a rising star in the party and many see him as the rightful successor to Trump when its all said and done.

Click to expand...

Trump managed to fluke a victory because 1) Nobody actually knew how he’d behave once in office and had to take the job seriously and 2) because he was up against the worst possible candidate the Democrats could have chosen, and even then, if Jill Stein hadn’t been a spoiler on the left, Trump likely would have lost.

Since then, well let’s see:

2018: Party loses the House but gains in the Senate, but a lot of Trump-backed candidates lose their bids, at least those in competitive seats.

2020: Trump loses to a guy who barely campaigned and is very clearly not all there, because Trump is enough of an asshole that people are sick of him.

2021: The night before a runoff election for Georgia’s two Senate seats (where winning just one would give the GOP the majority and the Republicans have always won), Trump bitches about his own loss rather than actually trying to boost either Perdue or Loeffler and making a case for why a Democrat trifecta is a bad thing, thus depressing voter turnout among Republicans and enabling Ossoff and Warnock to win.

2022: Trump tries to actively sabotage GA governor Brian Kemp because Kemp wouldn’t tolerate his shit in 2020 by backing David Perdue…who gets his ass handed to him by Kemp. Not one to realize when he’s lost, Trump then sends out endorsements of Stacey Abrams because he’d rather see a Democrat in office than a fellow Republican simply because Kemp hurt his feelings. Kemp then proceeds to beat Abrams by about 8-9 points…while Herschel Walker, who Trump endorsed for Senate, is headed for a runoff because he ran so far behind Kemp. Meanwhile Oz and Mastriano both went down in flames, because a crazy guy and a carpetbagging RINO (in the real sense of the term, i.e. someone whose instincts are generally left wing) aren’t going to cut it against a popular state AG and a guy with brain damage in a swing stage like Pennsylvania.

Trump may have encouraged people to be more combative, sure, and his outreach to minorities is a plus, but Trump himself has a track record of being a loser. Despite your repeated refusal to accept reality, the truth is that Trump is just that awful.

Agent23 said:

75% of the population of the USA thinks the country is going in the wrong direction.
Brandon has the lowest approval rating of any president in history.
The economy is experiencing huge inflation and maybe even a recession.

You'd think that most people would be willing to elect anything but the Demorats?

Normally, yes. However, given a choice between one group of idiots who are mostly sane by the standards of American politics (i.e., no more than the usual amount of sleaze one expects) versus a second group of idiots whose most prominent candidates are outright lunatics whose ideas aren’t fundamentally much different except fealty to the most despised man in America? They’ll stick with the current crop. Nor is this the first time it’s happened, either: see 1998.

TyrantTriumphant said:

I don't see how anyone can think that DeSantis is part of the establishment. He has struck against the Democrats at every opportunity and turned Florida into a bastion of conservative populist values. A lot of the actual establishment still hates DeSantis, remember how Cheney and Kitzinger sneered that DeSantis was just as evil as Trump as well as all those attacks by the media painting him as a fascist dictator.

Every action DeSantis has taken has been to advance populist conservative goals. And I'm going to need a lot more than speculation to convince me he's dirty somehow.

Also, using the term "establishment" as a cheap insult rather than as a descriptor debases the word of meaning. Within a few years I can easily see the word "establishment" becoming as meaningless as the words "racist" or "fascist" have become.

Click to expand...

As far as I can tell based on context, “establishment” and “uniparty” really mean “Actually believes in the current constitutional order, like separation of powers, the idea that losers accept the results of elections they don’t like, and generally try to govern rather than use their office to settle personal feuds” with some disagreements over things like election/ballot integrity (like no mass vote by mail but rather, if you want to vote, make the effort yourself) or powers of states vs the feds, etc. The current system may not be perfect, sure, but the fundamentals are.

People going on about the establishment are really generally bitching about the fact that their nihilism and extreme cynicism are not accepted by most Americans, and rather engage in critical thinking and serious reflection (and therefore have to admit that they might not be right about everything), they simply whine and say things that are at best misleading and at worst outright lies so their egos don’t get bruised.

Click to expand...

Airedale260 said:

Except in the eyes of most of America, Trump is the greater evil. It wasn’t Biden who decided to hold a rally and rile it up enough to try and storm the Capitol, or scheme to come up with shady legal theories and no actual evidence of material fraud (no, really, every time his lawyers were invited to submit their claims, they declined because, unlike shooting one’s mouth off at a press conference or on social media, lying in court proceedings carries actual criminal sanctions).

Regardless of what you personally might think of the 2020 election, most Americans feel it was fair and that Trump’s antics were not only ridiculous but downright awful. So, given a choice between a senile moron and a moron who thinks trying to subvert an electoral outcome he doesn’t like, they’re going to vote for the senile guy 10 times out of 10.

Click to expand...

The senile guy who is responsible for torturing and maiming American citizens, abandoning American troops and civilian personnel in a war zone, destroying our economy and energy independence, and mounting attack after attack on our freedom of speech; along with countless other offenses I could fill entire novels just summarizing, merely a fraction of which by any rights should see the man's entire cabinet tossed into a deep, dark hole for the rest of their lives at minimum?

If that's the guy they'd rather have, even if they're deluded enough to agree with you on the 2020 election and what happened on January 6th, then the "eyes of America" have been blinded, and the people are eager to be stomped upon by Orwell's proverbial boot. Sadly, you might not be wrong about that; in which case, I sincerely hope their decision doesn't end up dooming us all.

Though all that said; I'd like to say it's surprising to see you trying to defend Biden, in spite of your claims of being a conservative Republican, but it's really not.

Airedale260 said:

Trump then sends out endorsements of Stacey Abrams

Click to expand...

I hadn't heard that before!

Terthna said:

The senile guy who is responsible for torturing and maiming American citizens, abandoning American troops and civilian personnel in a war zone, destroying our economy and energy independence, and mounting attack after attack on our freedom of speech; along with countless other offenses I could fill entire novels just summarizing, merely a fraction of which by any rights should see the man's entire cabinet tossed into a deep, dark hole for the rest of their lives at minimum?

If that's the guy they'd rather have, even if they're deluded enough to agree with you on the 2020 election and what happened on January 6th, then the "eyes of America" have been blinded, and the people are eager to be stomped upon by Orwell's proverbial boot. Sadly, you might not be wrong about that; in which case, I sincerely hope their decision doesn't end up dooming us all.

Though all that said; I'd like to say it's surprising to see you trying to defend Biden, in spite of your claims of being a conservative Republican, but it's really not.

Click to expand...

I generally think were living in the calm before the storm.

To many cycles economic, political and other are all linking up this decade to make things utterly miserable I mean honestly as shitty as the economy's doing we really should be doing a lot worse. And this isn't just america by the way, China, Russia, europe the baby boomers are retiring in mass. Their taking their skills, their labor, their money out of the economy and sooner or later the delay form all that hits.

strunkenwhite said:

I hadn't heard that before!

Click to expand...

Neither have I.
I am from GA

Cherico said:

I generally think were living in the calm before the storm.

To many cycles economic, political and other are all linking up this decade to make things utterly miserable I mean honestly as shitty as the economy's doing we really should be doing a lot worse. And this isn't just america by the way, China, Russia, europe the baby boomers are retiring in mass. Their taking their skills, their labor, their money out of the economy and sooner or later the delay form all that hits.

Click to expand...

OMG! You repeat this 5 times a day. If you do absolutely have to share your favourite nonsense so often, please try and remember that the phrase is "en masse" not "in mass".

Megadeath said:

OMG! You repeat this 5 times a day. If you do absolutely have to share your favourite nonsense so often, please try and remember that the phrase is "en masse" not "in mass".

Click to expand...

These are long term built in demographic trends.
The world is aging, and most of the developed world doesn't have a millennial cohort that can effectively support the boomer generations who have quite generous retirements planned out for themselves. This has been a known issue for decades now and is already starting to have results.

For example the rise of wages? That's because of the boomers retiring, all of those open trade jobs? The boomers are retiring. I get you don't like to think about the conquences of all this but its not nonsense its just a fact of life. And human civilization is going to have to deal with that.

Zachowon said:

Neither have I.
I am from GA

Click to expand...

I poked around a little bit and I found something that could possibly be what Airedale is referring to. Apparently, when Trump was doing one of his off-the-cuff rants, in particular one going after Kemp, he said, "And Stacey Abrams, who still has not conceded, and that's OK [...] Stacey, would you like to take his place? It's OK with me. [...] Of course having her, I think, might be better than having your existing governor, if you want to know what I think. Might very well be better."

Not an official endorsement, but fair enough on a "Trump would rather have had Abrams win than Kemp out of spite" level. Unless he later backtracked, which is completely possible.

Cherico said:

These are long term built in demographic trends.
The world is aging, and most of the developed world doesn't have a millennial cohort that can effectively support the boomer generations who have quite generous retirements planned out for themselves. This has been a known issue for decades now and is already starting to have results.

For example the rise of wages? That's because of the boomers retiring, all of those open trade jobs? The boomers are retiring. I get you don't like to think about the conquences of all this but its not nonsense its just a fact of life. And human civilization is going to have to deal with that.

Click to expand...

I know your talking points. I don't care to argue it with you. The point is, the monotonous repetition is bad enough, but the repeated incorrect phrasing raises the annoyance factor even further.