bintananth
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Assuming they can get past the NIMBY idiots ...
Discussion on the Future of Energy Policy
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Bear Ribs
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Do you have any data on this? Everything I've seen says the exact opposite.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
I think that things are going to go real bad and when the push for nuclarization happens well people will be desperate enough that opinions will be ignored.
KilroywasNOTHere
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We should have been well into the nuclear revolution by now, but I think ultimately it's never going to happen because of reasons. are we sure there aren't external forces out there trying to mess with the Homosapien species? Cause it seems like right when a major civilization is about to reach the peak of civilization, some insignificant roadblock pops up that causes it to crumble.
bintananth
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Those insignificant roadblocks are reminding us that Murphy is always right: if something can go wrong it eventually will go wrong in a spectacularly catastrophic manner.
This is more of an economic\engineering problem than something that will take a revolution.
It's part of the reason why it also can't be done in desperation, it's just something that can't be done quickly, and it takes massive up-front investment.
Ironically, that would be the perfect fit with the needs of the muh climate change people, however those tend to have a massive overlap with the nuclear hating ideological greens, so overall they would rather push wind&sun tech no matter the cost and technological issues yet to be solved, and reliant on outright nonexistent mass scale energy storage technology it needs as support if it is to become more than a mere fraction of a developed country's energy grid.
actually the up front cost thing is being solved with portable moble modular much smaller nuclear plants.
Remember people have been working on this shit for 70 years, and the milatary stuff is making it over to the civilian sector.
KilroywasNOTHere
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I apoligize if this is in the wrong thread but You know we play the game of spectrums and false premises Left vs Right Capitalist vs Socialist, democracy Vs. Fascism and yet it's becoming increasingly clear to me at least that what makes the world flow above all else is energy and resources. When the average person no longer has access to resources and the venture capital dries up these politicians and their globalist corporation constituents can't actually produce anything on their own. They can horde and redistribute but at the end of the day without your energy producers and your resource producers, you eventually run out of money. It's almost as if shutting down your energy production, hampering shipping, and paying people not to produce food or water is a REALLY bad idea.
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KilroywasNOTHere
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Capitalist (or at least corporations do too it seems.)
bintananth
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A capitalist who knows what he or she is doing can file for bankruptcy without losing a single penny of their own money and walk away without giving a shit while everyone else gets stuck with the bill for cleaning up the mess they left in their wake. An actual socialist can not because they actually care about the consequences of their actions.
Bassoe
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You could simplify this to saying that centrally planned economies don't work regardless of whether the central planner is a communist generalissimo or a capitalist billionaire who bought up everything and set themselves up as a feudal lord by renting their property to the rest of the population in exchange for labor using it.
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Simonbob
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Corps, beyond a certain size, are fascist.
Beyond a certain size, the best, most profitable move is to buy a Senator. That's not remotely capatalistic at all.
A small company can't do most of these things, and they're far more Capitalist.
TheRomanSlayer
Unipolarity is for Subhuman Trogdolytes
If the earthquake resistant technology was also applied towards the construction of nuclear reactors, we could have seen a safer, more resistant version of the reactor that was built in Fukushima. British Columbia, despite being on the Ring of Fire, could have also hosted a nuclear reactor, but once again, Green politicians have to screw everything up.
As for solar energy in the future, it's not like we'd build orbital elevators that would connect the solar panels to such structures and connecting humanity to outer space. Where have I heard of that before?
If we really want to go out of left field, what about geothermal? Is there a room in the future for geothermal energy? Places close to volcanoes could benefit enormously from such a thing. As long as the volcanoes are dormant.
As for solar energy in the future, it's not like we'd build orbital elevators that would connect the solar panels to such structures and connecting humanity to outer space. Where have I heard of that before?
If we really want to go out of left field, what about geothermal? Is there a room in the future for geothermal energy? Places close to volcanoes could benefit enormously from such a thing. As long as the volcanoes are dormant.
KilroywasNOTHere
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one of the things my dad asked me is using the left's argument of "The earth is in a delicate balance and humans are messing it up" if we divert 40% of the sun's energy into these solar panels, what are we taking it away from and how would that affect the earth." nobody can answer him.
Considering that we have been altering the environment for all of human history , I'm inclined to believe the earth is far more resilient than we give it credit for. I still say go nuclear.
Considering that we have been altering the environment for all of human history , I'm inclined to believe the earth is far more resilient than we give it credit for. I still say go nuclear.
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The correct answer to this is "so what?"
Humans have no interest in trying to make Earth's climate stay in precisely the same state as it was around early human civilization at all cost. Nevermind that eventually it's gonna shift away from that by itself anyway (ice ages, sun, tectonic plates etc).
Habitability is a more reasonable goal to stick with.
No idea how stable that would be, but considering no one is doing it, there have to be major issues. Obviously the scale is limited to whatever places have the right geographic features underground, and for most countries that's not nearly enough. At least until you go to something sci-fi grade like moho geothermal that can be built with less restrictions as to place, but good luck doing the engineering.
Why Deep Closed-Loop Geothermal Is Guaranteed To Fail - ResFrac Corporation
Deep closed-loop geothermal relies on heat conduction to bring energy to the wellbore. Conduction through rock is slow: a fundamental problem that will prevent the concept from ever being economically viable.
www.resfrac.com
