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Abhorsen

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Unfortunately, that doesn't work in the modern day.

Being the nice guy simp/"best friend" doesn't work 99% of the time, and when it does? It's because they're approaching the Big Three-Oh. That's when they want to settle with the guy they wouldn't have even looked at in their teens/twenties.

Zach, I'm begging you bro for your own mental health: don't be a simp/nice guy. Lose that way of thinking. It doesn't apply in the modern day, and it'll draw you down a cold, miserable road.
The issue is you are offering something they don't want.

Simping/being a nice guy will not result in getting an exclusive relationship with people who aren't interested in such. Meanwhile, looking for and dating a person who's looking for a nice person to make a life with will work, because that's what they are looking for.

Basically, you absolutely must go into a relationship with the idea that what you see is going to be their final form. Can you live with that? Nice guying people who do not want it is just as dumb as a woman thinking they can change the guy.
 

Jormungandr

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The issue is you are offering something they don't want.

Simping/being a nice guy will not result in getting an exclusive relationship with people who aren't interested in such. Meanwhile, looking for and dating a person who's looking for a nice person to make a life with will work, because that's what they are looking for.

Basically, you absolutely must go into a relationship with the idea that what you see is going to be their final form. Can you live with that? Nice guying people who do not want it is just as dumb as a woman thinking they can change the guy.
When they hit their thirties/late twenties. In their teens/twenties? They're just looking for fun, even as casual relationships.

I am cynical, but that's because I've seen the same pattern of behavior over and over from different women, even in my friend group with other guys, for years.

Unless you find a rare unicorn (and I actually laugh at that term a bit)... yeah, it doesn't look good.

There's a reason why men are now basically blanking women and doing their own thing, after all.
 

Zachowon

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Unfortunately, that doesn't work in the modern day.

Being the nice guy simp/"best friend" doesn't work 99% of the time, and when it does? It's because they're approaching the Big Three-Oh. That's when they want to settle with the guy they wouldn't have even looked at in their teens/twenties.

Zach, I'm begging you bro for your own mental health: don't be a simp/nice guy. Lose that way of thinking. It doesn't apply in the modern day, and it'll draw you down a cold, miserable road.

Edit: not to say your wife is like that, I'm glad you've met a rare unicorn, but still lose that way of thinking outside of her/on other relationship dynamics. It ain't gonna end well.

You go after someone who is looking for that nice guy, or something of the sort.
Hell, not gonna lie my wife wasn't always wanting to be my wife, but I got to know what she liked and that is what I was what she was looking for and I made sure to show that.
Since that is what she was looking for.

One needs to realize sometimes these women may show one thing, and perhaps you find out they used to do it.
If they are willing to put that aside completely.
And people may see Dating apps as a place only for hookups.
One needs to realize that there are always people looking fir more.
Sometimes it takes a conversation to make a diffrence.
Find similar interests.

That is what I did.
We bonded on long conversations over text.
Like, longer then this long.

We agreed on a lot of things, and how people have become.
They exist out there plenty, on dating apps and in person.
But as they say, go to places you want the person you want to be with would hang out.

A lot of women may want to be that party. There is also a large amount that still think being with on person, or thinking the person you sre with is the one, many times over.

It just happens that they learn it late in life when men may no longer find this interesting.
Women may or may not find this early in life or not care for anything in that regard.

One has to just not look at the vocal group but the minor groups
 

bintananth

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being a nice guy will not result in getting an exclusive relationship with people who aren't interested in such.
When I was in my early 20s a guy who said that he was a "nice guy" was basically telling the gal that he was pick-up artist who would not be there for breakfast. Most gals don't want that.
 

Cherico

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When I was in my early 20s a guy who said that he was a "nice guy" was basically telling the gal that he was pick-up artist who would not be there for breakfast. Most gals don't want that.

The 3 standard ways for men to attract women are the 3 gs.

Greatness, Gold, and Goodness, since goodness can be faked its the least effective tactic.
 

Cherico

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The guys who actually have goodness - instead of faking it - tend to lose.

in this environment yes.

Take away the welfare, take away alimony and child support and suddenly the guys who actually stick around will get a lot more respect. You have to remember our current system is entirely artificial and with out massive amounts of government backing the current single mother lifestyle becomes entirely unsustainable.
 

bintananth

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in this environment yes.

Take away the welfare, take away alimony and child support and suddenly the guys who actually stick around will get a lot more respect. You have to remember our current system is entirely artificial and with out massive amounts of government backing the current single mother lifestyle becomes entirely unsustainable.
The "one guy, one gal" lifestyle is unusual for mammals. It's usually one male and a harem or a female who may or may not have said "yes".
 

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The "one guy, one gal" lifestyle is unusual for mammals. It's usually one male and a harem or a female who may or may not have said "yes".

Having a broken leg end up as anything but a death sentence is unusual for mammals too. Do you plan on asking the EMTs to just put you down if that happens to you?
 

Jormungandr

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Torn between this thread and "News of the Amused".

Yeah, a bunch of evolutionary dead-end Lefties tried to get his coffee business shut down by filing false and misleading reports to the American government.
Said government is now very interested in aforementioned brain-dead Lefties for their filing of said reports, apparently.
 

Urabrask Revealed

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Once again, the Left are proving the stereotype that they're all fucking morons.
They're arguing for the rights of... translucent people.
No, that isn't some new buzzword for a mental illness that's rife among them -- they mean actual translucent people. Which don't exist.
...
Yeah.

Oh, I heard of that one in passing! Wasn't the original poster making fun of the Left and their pet causes by claiming they wouldn't defend the special rights of a translucent person?
 

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Bit late here but some months ago I came across this thread on Reddit which is a nice (?) encapsulation of the problem.
I'm [22F] feeling depressed because of my lack of dating prospects as an OnlyFans content creator.

Using a throwaway so I can't be traced to my main account. As the title says I'm an onlyfans content creator that is just now realizing my lack of dating prospects because of what I do. I started out doing OF because I thought it was a good way to make quick money and liked showing off my body since it gave me a confidence boost. And to my advantage I did end up making a lot of money and gained +100k followers on Twitter.
But none of that matters to me anymore since my love life as I know it is dead. Men only message me to get their dick wet. I've been told many times that I'll never be girlfriend material. The men I do end up dating are ashamed to be seen with me in public and treat me like a dirty secret. The worst thing that's happened to me was when a guy I really liked canceled our date because he found my account. When I asked him why he canceled he said quote 'no self respecting man would date used up goods'. After that I'd only hear from him late at night if he wanted to hookup.
At this point I'm considering deleting all my accounts and changing my identity. I feel so stupid for even entertaining OF in the first place. I wish had the foresight to see how it would ruin my chances at a good relationship. Sure I'm sexually open and like to show off my body but I also want commitment. I want flowers and romantic dates. I want to be held in a non sexual way and be told 'I love you' (can you believe no guy has ever told me 'I love you'). Eventually I would like a family of my own. But all of that feels nearly impossible. I've been crying every single day because no one wants take to me seriously in love. I'll always be seen as nothing but used up goods because I did OF.
Actions, meet thine consequences.

The comments are a gold mine, and because I'm a sucker for drama (and because those kind of stories do pop up more and more) I ended up commenting, too.
The internet doesn't forget, OP. That's the tradeoff you accepted, knowingly or not, when you started doing OnlyFans. You get tons of recogntion, men lusting after you, and decent money, too. But you also get the social ostracization that sex workers usually do, and all the limits that entails. You're an articulate young woman, OP. Some part of you must have known that when you chose this career path.

I'm partial to you getting off social media, moving and starting up fresh. But what you've done is never going to go away. With 100K followers on Twitter and god knows how many subscribers on OF, your face and body are on the web forever, and with image search engines becoming better and better each passing day, you'll be found, again and again, in the days to come.

I'm not saying any of this to be/sound malicious, OP. But choices have consequences, and your dating experiences as well as the majority of answers by men in this thread are representative of how the majority of men see sex work as an insurmountable obstacle to serious relationships. Naturally I don't know how hardcore your content is, if it's just you doing images and solo vids, or if it's also intercourse with a/several partners (because boy does that open up another can of worms w/regards to your pair bonding ability...), though the used goods comment surely points into that direction. But that stuff is what the overwhelming majority of prospective partners will as something intimate in the very sense that it's something only to be shared between the two persons making up the relationship - and not 100K fapping dudes on Twitter. By putting it out for the whole world to see you devalue that intimacy, and in turn since it's nothing special anymore nobody wants to put any effort into it.

I'm feeling reminded of that meme/screencap where another OF creator's date gets cancelled and she asks something along the lines of "You're not going on a date with me because of my OF" and he responds with "No, I'm not treating you to a $200 date when I can see you naked instantly for $5.99".

This is where you're at, OP. You've made your intimacy/sexuality a commodity, so people have chosen to treat it just like that.

Ask your self this very straightforward question: why would a high-value man want to date you?

Nobody wants to bring a girl home to family and get the awkward conversation "And what do you do, honey?" - "I sell pictures of my butthole on the internet." Nobody wants to bring a girl home and constantly lie about her to their family either.

If he's got a business, do you think he'll want to have you around with prospective business partners who can find you on the web in a matter of seconds? Even in liberal states business relations are more often than not socially conservative. You think he'll want to risk his prospects because you (used to) sell your body online?

Or if you want a family: leaving aside the pair bonding issue, how many families do you think would be just a-okay with their son/brother dating a sex worker? How many men would be willing to break with their families just to be with you? And then thinking about kids, how many men would want to put kids into this world with you, knowing the absolute hell those kids would go through later in school? Kids are assholes, and they'd bully the living crap out of your offspring when (not if) they found out what you did earlier in your life. What prospective life partner would want to put their kids through that, because of you? Even if they loved you, initially, chances are high they'd drop you once things get serious.

Again, I'm not trying to be mean, but these things are, you know, kinda obvious to most men seeking serious relationships. Which is why you're not taken into consideration. Again, which sucks since you sound like an introspective and nice enough person, and you deserve to be as happy as the rest of us. But you can't have your cake and eat it to.

This sentence here: "Sure I'm sexually open and like to show off my body but I also want commitment." That's your dilemma. Because just like this you've cut something like 90% out of your dating pool. And I'm not sure you're going to like the remaining 10%...
 

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