Middle East Trump makes way for Turkey operation against Kurds in Syria

Marduk · Aug 3, 2022

TheRejectionist said:
The fight is over.

US troops continue to steal Syria's natural resources

US Continues Plundering Syria by Smuggling Oil to Iraq

I asked for a number.
>Syrian Arab News Agency
AKA "Assad said", it's state owned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehr_News_Agency

owned by the Islamic Ideology Dissemination Organization

You do realize that 35 trucks, assuming they were full is basically jack shit in the context of Syria's even current oil production of about 150k bbl per day, nevermind ~400k pre war, and let's not even get into numbers meaningful for the US economy?
An average truck can carry something like 200 barrels. 35 of them, that's something like 7k. At current oil prices, if they can get the market price, that's 700k USD.
That's a nice side income for the Kurds, for the US, well, let's just say that this would not even pay for the year's salaries of the troops stationed there. They would need a transport like that every week to get close to that, nevermind the equipment and logistics.
What kind of robbery is that?
Meanwhile US daily oil use is around 17-20m bbl/day.

TheRejectionist said:
Concerns raised over press freedom in SDF-controlled areas of northern Syria

morningstaronline.co.uk

Plenty.

>for peace and socialism.
Very uncomradely of British comrades to shit talk their Kurdish comrades like that.

Arch Dornan · Aug 3, 2022

Marduk said:
You do realize that 35 trucks, assuming they were full is basically jack shit in the context of Syria's even current oil production of about 150k bbl per day, nevermind ~400k pre war, and let's not even get into numbers meaningful for the US economy?
An average truck can carry something like 200 barrels. 35 of them, that's something like 7k. At current oil prices, if they can get the market price, that's 700k USD.
That's a nice side income for the Kurds, for the US, well, let's just say that this would not even pay for the year's salaries of the troops stationed there. They would need a transport like that every week to get close to that, nevermind the equipment and logistics.
What kind of robbery is that?
Meanwhile US daily oil use is around 17-20m bbl/day.

It would be easier to steal within the army then steal it from the Syrians.

Back in the day there were fuel theft schemes due to the large operations being carried out until it was too late and then begins the investigation and manhunt for the perp.

Zachowon · Aug 3, 2022

I mean, if you can find sources that arnt literally Assad says then maybe you have a point

PsihoKekec · Aug 3, 2022

Zachowon said:
We are supporting people there against persecution.

Hey, that's the same excuse Russians used in Ukraine 2014, yet another proof that Russia and USA are a truly brotherly nations. Quarelsome brothers, but brothers none the less.

Zachowon said:
To support fighting ISIS

And 50 years later you will be still using the same excuse? The real reason for occupation of parts of Syria is that USA is fighting Iran on behalf of Saudi Arabia and Israel and occupation is meant to prevent a land connection from Iran to Mediterranean, that's why there are couple of dozen of mercs sitting at Al Tanf border crossing, pretending to some kind of independent rebel group, while drawing paychecks from CIA and being protected by USAF. However there was a slight snag in the plan as ISIS, despite American air support, failed to take the Deir ez-Zor and after the siege was broken, the pro-government militias beat the pro-CIA militias (former ISIS*) in the race to Al Bukmal.

*After negotiated evacuation of ISIS forces in Raqqah, CIA negotiated with Arab tribal militias that served as local ISIS forces to change side, leading at first to very fast advance to Al Khabour river, but then they hit the wall as the remaining ISIS loyalists consolidated and the the only competent forces - the Kurds were barred from moving past Raqqa by the agreement with the Arab tribes.

Abhorsen · Aug 3, 2022

The US shouldn't have invaded Syria (or Iraq for that matter). We helped cause ISIS by doing so. We got no business being in Syria. Yes, Assad's awful. So are a lot of dictators. It isn't our job to cure the worlds problems, and when we try, we make the problems worse.

Russia shouldn't have invaded Ukraine or or here.

TheRejectionist · Aug 3, 2022

PsihoKekec said:
Hey, that's the same excuse Russians used in Ukraine 2014, yet another proof that Russia and USA are a truly brotherly nations. Quarelsome brothers, but brothers none the less.

And 50 years later you will be still using the same excuse? The real reason for occupation of parts of Syria is that USA is fighting Iran on behalf of Saudi Arabia and Israel and occupation is meant to prevent a land connection from Iran to Mediterranean, that's why there are couple of dozen of mercs sitting at Al Tanf border crossing, pretending to some kind of independent rebel group, while drawing paychecks from CIA and being protected by USAF. However there was a slight snag in the plan as ISIS, despite American air support, failed to take the Deir ez-Zor and after the siege was broken, the pro-government militias beat the pro-CIA militias (former ISIS*) in the race to Al Bukmal.

*After negotiated evacuation of ISIS forces in Raqqah, CIA negotiated with Arab tribal militias that served as local ISIS forces to change side, leading at first to very fast advance to Al Khabour river, but then they hit the wall as the remaining ISIS loyalists consolidated and the the only competent forces - the Kurds were barred from moving past Raqqa by the agreement with the Arab tribes.

Not only he would use the same reasoning but he would be perfectly ok with mass carpet bombing , provoking famine, atrocities and despair as long the one doing are his buddies of the United States.

Marduk said:
I asked for a number.
>Syrian Arab News Agency
AKA "Assad said", it's state owned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehr_News_Agency

You do realize that 35 trucks, assuming they were full is basically jack shit in the context of Syria's even current oil production of about 150k bbl per day, nevermind ~400k pre war, and let's not even get into numbers meaningful for the US economy?
An average truck can carry something like 200 barrels. 35 of them, that's something like 7k. At current oil prices, if they can get the market price, that's 700k USD.
That's a nice side income for the Kurds, for the US, well, let's just say that this would not even pay for the year's salaries of the troops stationed there. They would need a transport like that every week to get close to that, nevermind the equipment and logistics.
What kind of robbery is that?
Meanwhile US daily oil use is around 17-20m bbl/day.

>for peace and socialism.
Very uncomradely of British comrades to shit talk their Kurdish comrades like that.

Robbery is still robbery.

Your information comes from Cold War skeleton-like warhawks. The same who got Zachowon jabbed with coof human experiment. And these Islamist tend to have more reliable informations than the White House or the US.

Or at least, they don't pretend to be the good guys.

Marduk · Aug 3, 2022

TheRejectionist said:
Your information comes from Cold War skeleton-like warhawks. The same who got Zachowon jabbed with coof human experiment. And these Islamist tend to have more reliable informations than the White House or the US.

Or at least, they don't pretend to be the good guys.

I'll absolutely take those over Assad's mouthpiece, "Islamic Ideology Dissemination Organization" (sorry, not a fan of islamic ideology), nor the "peace and socialism" folks over at the Morning Star (had "peace and socialism" where i live, still lots of problems left over from that).
It's one thing to question western state's propaganda, but to believe third world, islamist and commie propaganda respectively over it is just ridiculous.

Everyone with two functioning brain cells knows that the amounts of oil in question are not enough for the US government to lift a finger, nevermind a "robbery", it's Kurds who do very much consider that worth lifting a finger, and voila, here's the literal deal:

Kurds In Syria Share Oil With Government As Part Of A Deal | OilPrice.com

Kurds in Syria are sharing part of the oil pumped at oil fields with the Syrian government under a recently signed deal that is working

oilprice.com

TheRejectionist · Aug 4, 2022

Marduk said:
I'll absolutely take those over Assad's mouthpiece, "Islamic Ideology Dissemination Organization" (sorry, not a fan of islamic ideology), nor the "peace and socialism" folks over at the Morning Star (had "peace and socialism" where i live, still lots of problems left over from that).
It's one thing to question western state's propaganda, but to believe third world, islamist and commie propaganda respectively over it is just ridiculous.

Everyone with two functioning brain cells knows that the amounts of oil in question are not enough for the US government to lift a finger, nevermind a "robbery", it's Kurds who do very much consider that worth lifting a finger, and voila, here's the literal deal:

Kurds In Syria Share Oil With Government As Part Of A Deal | OilPrice.com

Kurds in Syria are sharing part of the oil pumped at oil fields with the Syrian government under a recently signed deal that is working

oilprice.com

Third world, Islamist and Communsit propaganda respectively has more credibility than US or Europhile propaganda. And say that as someone who is voting for Bolsonaro and would like vote for the PiS or Janusz Korwin-Mikke.

If that's a deal, to be forced to accept to share and have only third of your own oil (and consecutively slow or outright impede reconstruction), well I am the fucking Wolf of Wall Street then!

US doesn't need the oil, it just needs Syria not that have it much or at all.

Marduk · Aug 4, 2022

TheRejectionist said:
Third world, Islamist and Communsit propaganda respectively has more credibility than US or Europhile propaganda. And say that as someone who is voting for Bolsonaro and would like vote for the PiS or Janusz Korwin-Mikke.

It's still a delusional thing to believe. Get non shitty news instead of just anti-western propaganda.

TheRejectionist said:
If that's a deal, to be forced to accept to share and have only third of your own oil (and consecutively slow or outright impede reconstruction), well I am the fucking Wolf of Wall Street then!

Boo fucking hoo. Poor Assad. Don't care. If the last Assadist and Kurd commie murdered each other, the world would be better off for it. If Assad wants me to care about his budget, he needs to send me a nice piece of it.

LordsFire · Aug 4, 2022

TheRejectionist said:
Third world, Islamist and Communsit propaganda respectively has more credibility than US or Europhile propaganda. And say that as someone who is voting for Bolsonaro and would like vote for the PiS or Janusz Korwin-Mikke.

No, it really, really isn't. At best, Islamist and Communist propaganda is on the level of western leftist propaganda. Usually, it's even worse, because at least some leftists are trying to appeal to western moderates who have some contact with reality. Islamists and Communists are in *complete* fantasy worlds.

A better alternative is dissident western media.

TheRejectionist · Aug 4, 2022

Marduk said:
It's still a delusional thing to believe. Get non shitty news instead of just anti-western propaganda.

Boo fucking hoo. Poor Assad. Don't care. If the last Assadist and Kurd commie murdered each other, the world would be better off for it. If Assad wants me to care about his budget, he needs to send me a nice piece of it.

So you are perfectly ok with starving and blackmail and steal the little profits an entire populace could have just because you don't like the guy in charge ? Andrew Jackson is that you?

Marduk · Aug 5, 2022

TheRejectionist said:
So you are perfectly ok with starving and blackmail and steal the little profits an entire populace could have just because you don't like the guy in charge ? Andrew Jackson is that you?

You mean whatever, if anything, he was going to share with the population, as opposed to paying some of the overdue bonuses for his enforcers?
It's not like Assad is some kind of populist hero leader.
Syria is a nice example of how you can have a war with many sides and they are various shades and degrees of assholes.

TheRejectionist · Aug 5, 2022

Marduk said:
You mean whatever, if anything, he was going to share with the population, as opposed to paying some of the overdue bonuses for his enforcers?

Because you are definitively not paying top bonuses to the ones occupying it, right ?

Marduk said:
It's not like Assad is some kind of populist hero leader.

Compared to the Anglo-Franco-American axis and the likes of Saudis,Qataris, Emiratis and Turkey, he is.

Marduk said:
Syria is a nice example of how you can have a war with many sides and they are various shades and degrees of assholes.

So behaving like thieving bloodthirsty trigger happy resources predator warhawks is perfectly fine for you then, as long as it is your side it's "a different shade and degree of asshole".

You know one day it will be your country that gets a dictator and the future great powers could behave exactly with the same reasoning against your nation? But I guess empathy isn't your strong suit.

Marduk · Aug 5, 2022

TheRejectionist said:
Because you are definitively not paying top bonuses to the ones occupying it, right ?

Kurds are kinda desperate for any funding so probably not.

TheRejectionist said:
Compared to the Anglo-Franco-American axis and the likes of Saudis,Qataris, Emiratis and Turkey, he is.

What is it with the "comic books for 7 year olds" understanding of foreign affairs? Just because one side is shit doesn't mean the other one isn't.
Anything you can accuse them of, Assad did that and worse.

TheRejectionist said:
So behaving like thieving bloodthirsty trigger happy resources predator warhawks is perfectly fine for you then, as long as it is your side it's "a different shade and degree of asshole".

Kurdish commies aren't my side, don't care about them either.

TheRejectionist said:
You know one day it will be your country that gets a dictator and the future great powers could behave exactly with the same reasoning against your nation? But I guess empathy isn't your strong suit.

I don't want my country to "get a dictator", and most certainly not one like Assad.

Arch Dornan · Aug 5, 2022

Marduk said:
I don't want my country to "get a dictator", and most certainly not one like Assad.

Aren't you Polish? Your country's been there and done that as the East and West carved you up like a turkey.

Marduk · Aug 5, 2022

Arch Dornan said:
Aren't you Polish? Your country's been there and done that as the East and West carved you up like a turkey.

I don't get your point, if you are making any here.

Arch Dornan · Aug 5, 2022

Marduk said:
I don't get your point, if you are making any here.

You got asked by TheRejectionist on an appeal to morality but as you're Polish you already had dictators ruling Poland in the past so the appeal to morality is moot.

Marduk · Aug 5, 2022

Arch Dornan said:
You got asked by TheRejectionist on an appeal to morality but as you're Polish you already had dictators ruling Poland in the past so the appeal to morality is moot.

And the dictators came as a consequence of commie military intervention, not the other way around.

Arch Dornan · Aug 5, 2022

Marduk said:
And the dictators came as a consequence of commie military intervention, not the other way around.

Getting conquered fits the definition regardless of what flag they bear and Poland had plenty of them before the commies and Nazis.

Marduk · Aug 5, 2022

Arch Dornan said:
Getting conquered fits the definition regardless of what flag they bear and Poland had plenty of them before the commies and Nazis.

Not so plenty, those times weren't because Poland had dictators, quite the opposite if anything.
Besides, it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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