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The Whispering Monk

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Advanced building rules should only come into gameplay when you are fighting the building itself. Such as clearing out an air-defense base with anti-dropship guns before a full assault, or dungeon crawling a Castle Brian.

I have never felt that having 'advanced building rules' as cumbersome or something that should be limited to just a specific type of fight. I feel they add a sense of the mighty Stompy Robot as they impact the city around them.

Building construction factors are level 3 optional rules that are not used in tournament play

I don't tournament. I only do narrative play (campaign games) or for fun.
 

Speaker4thesilent

Crazed Deplorable
well i was first thinking that they were going to make the Shogun
I think maybe you mean ‘Emperor.’ But that was built on Son Hoa before it was nuked, not Loburg. What data we have suggests that Loburg used to build lower tech version of the King Crab and the Longbow while Son Hoa built Royal-grade Mechs: Emperor, Highlander, and King Crab.
 

cawest

Active member
I think maybe you mean ‘Emperor.’ But that was built on Son Hoa before it was nuked, not Loburg. What data we have suggests that Loburg used to build lower tech version of the King Crab and the Longbow while Son Hoa built Royal-grade Mechs: Emperor, Highlander, and King Crab.
i was thinking that the longbow and Shogun are both 85ton mechs and now both will jump. and, well i always just like the Shogun
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
i was thinking that the longbow and Shogun are both 85ton mechs and now both will jump. and, well i always just like the Shogun
Alas to make it you need to make a deal with the Dragoons since they're the only ones in the Inner Sphere with the plans for it something nobody was able to do in canon.
 

cawest

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Alas to make it you need to make a deal with the Dragoons since they're the only ones in the Inner Sphere with the plans for it something nobody was able to do in canon.

well i guy can wish, and this mod of the Longbow does seem to cover the bases. i wonder if the WD will look them up for ER PPCs. now that would be a meeting you would want to be a fly on the wall for. :)
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
well i guy can wish, and this mod of the Longbow does seem to cover the bases. i wonder if the WD will look them up for ER PPCs. now that would be a meeting you would want to be a fly on the wall for. :)
Unless your mercenary company is the Kell Hounds or a spinoff of the 1st Catachan/Webers Warriors and/or their equivalents in being house troops in all but name and/or owning your own production company on the list to get data from the Catachan core I don't think any mercenary command is getting such tech before the LCAF and Lyran House Units do and that's going to probably take until the 3030s to fully do and even then Lyran miltia units will probably take priority before most mercs. The WD certainly don't fall under such a category
 
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Doomsought

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I have never felt that having 'advanced building rules' as cumbersome or something that should be limited to just a specific type of fight. I feel they add a sense of the mighty Stompy Robot as they impact the city around them.
Its the principle of using conservation of detail to set the mood. If you want to give the players an awesome sense of collateral damage, you can use some of the advanced building rules and the missed shot rules from page 81 of the same book.
 

Speaker4thesilent

Crazed Deplorable
Unless your mercenary company is the Kell Hounds or a spinoff of the 1st Catachan/Webers Warriors and/or their equivalents in being house troops in all but name and/or owning your own production company on the list to get data from the Catachan core I don't think any mercenary command is getting such tech before the LCAF and Lyran House Units do and that's going to probably take until the 3030s to fully do and even then Lyran miltia units will probably take priority before most mercs. The WD certainly don't fall under such a category
It could serve as incentive to get them to remain in the employment of House Steiner after their original contract expires. “Stay for another tour and we’ll let you in on the really good sources of gear.”
 

Wargamer08

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I mean it also locks them in to Steiner suppliers without being obvious about it. Those new mechs with FF Armor or ER weapons or even Double Heat sinks are going to take damage. You can only get replacements in so many places now.
 

bobnik

Memetic Warfare Specialist
It could serve as incentive to get them to remain in the employment of House Steiner after their original contract expires. “Stay for another tour and we’ll let you in on the really good sources of gear.”
And WD haven't actually done their stint for LC yet. It'll happen in 3-4 years if this rolls like OTL. In canon, they only worked for the Steiners for two years, so having sweeteners for an extension is probably very useful.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
And WD haven't actually done their stint for LC yet. It'll happen in 3-4 years if this rolls like OTL. In canon, they only worked for the Steiners for two years, so having sweeteners for an extension is probably very useful.
And just before that they tried to help hit Heserpus so one could be forgiven if Katrina doesn't really want to give them any good stuff
 

PsihoKekec

Swashbuckling Accountant
That was just business as usual, however WD modus operandi is known by now, five year contract and no fighting the previous employer, so Katrina won't offer them Foundtech just to entice them. Now with LCAF stronger when Goons take contract, they could do more than just keep Dracs off balance, perhaps pushing them further away from Tamar, it would be interesting to see whether Goons get weaboo fever in this TL as well, and escape contract to sign up with the honourable backstabbers early, or do they stay the original length of the contract in order to learn more about Lyran Foundtech (in line with their original orders). Katrina would probably try to dangle Foundtech carrot in front of them for contract extension, if they serve their full five year contract, but unlikely if they try to jump the contract early.
 

bobnik

Memetic Warfare Specialist
And just before that they tried to help hit Heserpus so one could be forgiven if Katrina doesn't really want to give them any good stuff
There's about three years until that happens, and it may be that more and better armaments present in the LC discourages that. From memory, while they won, WD needed to do a resupply in Clanspace after that one - it was close even without foundtech proliferation. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a WD fanboy, but I could honestly see Jamie Wolf deciding not to do it, especially if better armaments make it to the LC-FWL border, and the Dragoons take more attrition damage.

Does anyone know why Jamie decided to go to DC early? Actual canon reason?
 

PsihoKekec

Swashbuckling Accountant
Unlikely, he is rather insular and LIC noted that he prefers keeping his cards close to him. So working with Lyran regular units and trusted mercenaries is in line with him, working with mercenaries who, as everybody in IS expects, will move to DC employ in five years, is not.
 

Brian-88

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The agility of the jump jets makes it able to act a bit more like a very heavy cavalry ‘Mech. Remember, IRL the fog of war is very real, and having this thing vault over a line of buildings at you on a column of fire if going to be a hell of a nasty surprise.

It doesn’t have a Victor’s fuck-off autocannon, but paired LB-10Xs and paired LLs are no joke. And as soon as it makes a hole in your armor, it goes Crit seeking with 20 chances per round to find something juicy inside. Odds of serious critical damage get really high really fast under those circumstances. it goes from being situational, to being a mean brawler that’s also surprisingly agile in a knife fight.
That's when you take advantage of the DHS, FF and Endo production to start making Royal Highlanders just like Rhonda Snord's. Loudspeakers for blasting heavy metal included, of course.

I play the shit out of MW5 and my favorite mech by far is a Highlander with a GR, LRM15, SRM6 and two LL. With the mod to unlock the full Mechlab that lets you play with FF, Endo and engine swaps it just gets fun as hell.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
That's when you take advantage of the DHS, FF and Endo production to start making Royal Highlanders just like Rhonda Snord's. Loudspeakers for blasting heavy metal included, of course.

I play the shit out of MW5 and my favorite mech by far is a Highlander with a GR, LRM15, SRM6 and two LL. With the mod to unlock the full Mechlab that lets you play with FF, Endo and engine swaps it just gets fun as hell.
Highlanders can be made by StarCorp later better Longbows and restarting King Crab production comes first
 

Speaker4thesilent

Crazed Deplorable
That's when you take advantage of the DHS, FF and Endo production to start making Royal Highlanders just like Rhonda Snord's. Loudspeakers for blasting heavy metal included, of course.

I play the shit out of MW5 and my favorite mech by far is a Highlander with a GR, LRM15, SRM6 and two LL. With the mod to unlock the full Mechlab that lets you play with FF, Endo and engine swaps it just gets fun as hell.
Again, the key problem with restarting Highlander production is that the tooling is buried under thousands of tons of radioactive rubble. Getting at it is possible, but would be both time-consuming and expensive.

We have the benefit of knowing that a lot of the production facilities are actually intact because they managed to stand production back up. In universe, they don’t know that. So playing around on Son Hoa is a big risk with a questionable reward.

On the other hand, once the new Longbow is in production, Szabó’s goal is to get the King Crab going again. He has the ruins of the line on Loburg, but he needs more info than he’s got there, which means a fishing expedition to Son Hoa to see if any part of that line survived. At which point, they learn that quite a lot of the facility there is salvageable. Not everything, by any means, but enough that they can fill in the gaps and get production restored, as in Canon.
 

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