Transgender Rights

GROGNARD

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Thoughts on Transgenderism and Individual Rights.

Transgenderism is a mental illness / sign of mental deficiency.
Just because it is currently trendy and cool and "the popular people are doing it", does not give it validation.
Children who consider themselves TG (often after much indoctrination) will often grow out of it and as adults, identify as cis.
Brainwashing a child to consider themselves as TG should be considered and prosecuted as child sexual abuse.
TG surgery, no matter how complete, does not allow for a TG 'male' to sire children, nor a TG 'female' to bear a child.
Thus, at its core, TG surgery is a cosmetic surgery money and fame grab; and those that practice it should be shamed.
TG athletes should never be allowed to compete against any other type of athlete.
TG, at its core, is a progressive liberal assault on historical nuclear family values; much along the same efforts practiced by Stalin and his cronies at their worst.

All that said: People who identify as TG are still people.
ALL people have natural rights that must be respected.
In the case of TGs, they are victims of a sick conspiracy. They need counseling and treatment & protection. Especially children. And while this may be wildly unpopular, when it comes to TG issues and science, I consider traumatized people as children until they are 24-26 years old. Maturation of the adolescent brain

And yes, I've posted this same statement to some very liberal discussion boards & have the hate mail to prove it.
I think it is vital to expose yourself to a variety of opinion perspectives.
It helps to strengthen and solidify those positions that one holds dear.
 

GoldRanger

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If men and women were about the same size and shape the reproductive organs an athelete has wouldn't matter. They're not: men are substantially larger and stronger.
True, but if a woman or FtM transgender happened by a quirk of luck and genetics to be on the edge of the Bell curve for female size and strength, and managed to pass the exact same standards applied to men, then there shouldn't be an issue, especially if they'll mainly get into support positions rather than front line roles.

Of course the risk of being captured in war is much greater for women than men regardless of their physical and/or mental capabilities, since as POWs they're likely to be raped by an unscrupulous enemy.

With MtF transgenders there shouldn't be much of an issue since their physical abilities will be in line with most males.
 

GoldRanger

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Given trans people's tendency towards suicide or self-harm, I question if letting them have access to all sorts of firearms and weaponry is a good idea. Well, that and it makes our military look like a joke
Isn't there any psychological screening for new recruits? Just apply the same standards to trans people as regular folk. If more trans end up getting washed out because of that predisposition then, well, that's life.
 

Bacle

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Isn't there any psychological screening for new recruits? Just apply the same standards to trans people as regular folk. If more trans end up getting washed out because of that predisposition then, well, that's life.
No, the issue with trans in the military is they often try to use the military to pay for the transition surgery's, allowing them to get it all done on the taxpayer dime instead of their own.

If someone is trans and wants to serve, they can do it AFTER they get all the surgeries and hormone treatments done, then see if they are still able to serve.
 

DarthOne

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No, the issue with trans in the military is they often try to use the military to pay for the transition surgery's, allowing them to get it all done on the taxpayer dime instead of their own.

If someone is trans and wants to serve, they can do it AFTER they get all the surgeries and hormone treatments done, then see if they are still able to serve.
Agreed.
 

Zachowon

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Given trans people's tendency towards suicide or self-harm, I question if letting them have access to all sorts of firearms and weaponry is a good idea. Well, that and it makes our military look like a joke
From what I know, they can not serve in combat roles, and they are not able to be deployed. Basically set to be on a permanent profile.
No, the issue with trans in the military is they often try to use the military to pay for the transition surgery's, allowing them to get it all done on the taxpayer dime instead of their own.

If someone is trans and wants to serve, they can do it AFTER they get all the surgeries and hormone treatments done, then see if they are still able to serve.
The military requires you to be on a certain a mount last I checked I your transition before they take you.
And even if not, they have to pass pass the same standards for mental and physical health, and until they are comeptly done with thier transition they are treated Ike thier previous gender.
So males can't just say they are female to get easier PT test
 

Captain X

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I suspect most Americans are more ok with trans military members than trans athletes because the ones who join the military are volunteering to potentially get shot at.

With athletes: Someone FtM could easily be perceived as "a girl playing with the boys" and most people aren't going to make too much of a fuss about that. Someone MtF, on the other hand, is going to get a whole lot instictive "he's cheating" pushback unless the sport is one guys and gals already play with or against each other on even terms.
There's a lot to go through before you even get to the possibility of getting shot at that needs to be considered. First off is what is even considered transgendered as far as the military is concerned, because one of the big issues people have with it in general is the push to allow such people in bathrooms and locker rooms, and with the military this is going to include billeting. There have already been problems in the UK where "trans" prisoners have identified as women and been put into prison with biological women, and then gone on to rape their fellow inmates, and their guards have had trouble dealing with them when they otherwise get out of hand because of the disparity in strength. Of course, this isn't even just an issue of possible rape going on, as the military already has an issue with people sneaking out of their dorms or bays to go fuck, so this issue could only get worse if they are literally sleeping in the same place and don't even have to worry about sneaking out of anywhere. For people who actually have gotten surgery and/or are taking hormones, there is a whole host of medical issues to consider, and this is going to be a problem for military service, particularly if deployment is involved. If your solution to this is simply to make such people undeployable, all you will accomplish is creating resentment for this special class of individual among everyone else who have no choice in the matter. Just look at the resentment there already is for women when it comes to pregnancies either on deployment or just before it. The possibility of getting shot at doesn't even enter into my consideration when it comes to trans people serving in the military.
 

Zachowon

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There's a lot to go through before you even get to the possibility of getting shot at that needs to be considered. First off is what is even considered transgendered as far as the military is concerned, because one of the big issues people have with it in general is the push to allow such people in bathrooms and locker rooms, and with the military this is going to include billeting. There have already been problems in the UK where "trans" prisoners have identified as women and been put into prison with biological women, and then gone on to rape their fellow inmates, and their guards have had trouble dealing with them when they otherwise get out of hand because of the disparity in strength. Of course, this isn't even just an issue of possible rape going on, as the military already has an issue with people sneaking out of their dorms or bays to go fuck, so this issue could only get worse if they are literally sleeping in the same place and don't even have to worry about sneaking out of anywhere. For people who actually have gotten surgery and/or are taking hormones, there is a whole host of medical issues to consider, and this is going to be a problem for military service, particularly if deployment is involved. If your solution to this is simply to make such people undeployable, all you will accomplish is creating resentment for this special class of individual among everyone else who have no choice in the matter. Just look at the resentment there already is for women when it comes to pregnancies either on deployment or just before it. The possibility of getting shot at doesn't even enter into my consideration when it comes to trans people serving in the military.
In the military you are treated as the gender you signed as. Aka your birth gender until youa re fully through your transition.
 

Captain X

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And what if someone is already transitioned? Will the military billet mtf trans people with women? Are such people deployable, or will they only get office/support jobs back home?
 

Zachowon

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And what if someone is already transitioned? Will the military billet mtf trans people with women? Are such people deployable, or will they only get office/support jobs back home?
AFAIK nkt deployable, and during basic they would be woth Women, unless they are nkt conformable and then will most likely get put alone. Same once they are fully in.
And fully transition includes sex change surgery
 

Captain X

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So at least part of what I was speculating about as far as being undeployable, which would probably build up some resentment toward them from everyone else. This is a big part of why I would not support trans people serving, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is what was behind the Trump ban on it.
 

Zachowon

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So at least part of what I was speculating about as far as being undeployable, which would probably build up some resentment toward them from everyone else. This is a big part of why I would not support trans people serving, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is what was behind the Trump ban on it.
It just means they cant be in a combat zone. They can still be used as support roles.
And why would that cause resentment? Most want to be deployed because free 20k tax free
 

Captain X

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Do I really have to explain why people would be resentful toward a protected class who don't have to go through the possibility of deployment like they do? And wouldn't the different hormones and medications that trans people typically have to take make even being in support roles overseas a risky proposition given that they might not be able to get them? I guess maybe they won't die the way a diabetic person might, but it seems like a risk. And of course if one considers this to be a mental illness, doesn't it seem questionable to allow such a person to serve?
 

Captain X

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Considering the added risk women have as POWs from some of our enemies, this is another thing to consider with trans people.
 

Zachowon

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Do I really have to explain why people would be resentful toward a protected class who don't have to go through the possibility of deployment like they do? And wouldn't the different hormones and medications that trans people typically have to take make even being in support roles overseas a risky proposition given that they might not be able to get them? I guess maybe they won't die the way a diabetic person might, but it seems like a risk. And of course if one considers this to be a mental illness, doesn't it seem questionable to allow such a person to serve?
They literally are treated as thier previous gender in all but what they want to be called until they fully go through transition. From what I understand you have to have so many years of transition already done before you can join, are restricted in jobs, have to go through the same mental and physical things everyone else does.....

And no, because I can make 20k for staying on a base no where near the enemy when deployed..
the amount people want to deploy is immense because of how much one can make from it...
Considering the added risk women have as POWs from some of our enemies, this is another thing to consider with trans people.
In a non COIN war, the Geneva convention prevents anything happening.
In COIN. We just don't let the people taking prisoners live.
 

Captain X

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And no, because I can make 20k for staying on a base no where near the enemy when deployed..
the amount people want to deploy is immense because of how much one can make from it...
You sure? Because most people have these things called families that they like to stay kind of close to if they can. So if someone else might have a seemingly easy way of doing so and they don't, that can kind of build some resentment. Like say women getting pregnant on deployment or just before. In my experience, people (including other women) tend to look down on that.

In a non COIN war, the Geneva convention prevents anything happening.
In COIN. We just don't let the people taking prisoners live.
Because conventions have always prevented such things from happening.
 

Zachowon

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You sure? Because most people have these things called families that they like to stay kind of close to if they can. So if someone else might have a seemingly easy way of doing so and they don't, that can kind of build some resentment. Like say women getting pregnant on deployment or just before. In my experience, people (including other women) tend to look down on that.


Because conventions have always prevented such things from happening.
You get separation pay if you are away from your family for 30 or more days. You also get hazard pay, you also get that 20k...


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And generally yes. The Germans treated our POWs better then japs did.
 

Battlegrinder

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So at least part of what I was speculating about as far as being undeployable, which would probably build up some resentment toward them from everyone else. This is a big part of why I would not support trans people serving, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is what was behind the Trump ban on it.

You are aware that there are other categories of people that are also undeployable? The military has loads of people that aren't qualified for combat arms and just stay stateside pushing paperwork.

Has there even been a trans POW?

At some point in history, almost certainly yes, but not lately.
 

Simonbob

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At some point in history, almost certainly yes, but not lately.

I'm pretty sure no, given how few Trans there are, and the general ban on people with mental illness serving.

Up until 1974, it wasn't even possible. Even then, it was only the Netherlands. The US only let them in at all in 2016, until Trump said no.


No deployment, very limited numbers, the way they're more likely to be treated as a PR thing than anything else...... I'd be supprised.
 

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