United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

Megadeath

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Their actions. Look at what the parties members and its useful idiots have been doing. Their actions speak far louder than anything they can say. Pfft! Yeah, I mean, so what if they've bee repeatedly violating the Constitution and trying to position themselves so they can't be stopped from doing so - that's what all politicians do, right? :rolleyes: Do you even listen to yourself?
Uh huh... Except we fundamentally disagree on that interpretation of their general position. Further, whether that's true or not it's reason to dislike and oppose them generally. It still isn't something that's wrong with this idea.
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
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Uh huh... Except we fundamentally disagree on that interpretation of their general position. Further, whether that's true or not it's reason to dislike and oppose them generally. It still isn't something that's wrong with this idea.
Politics in America have always been a bit of a game (although that trivializes it: I guess more of a detente between players as they try to tip a pair of scales in their direction): sometimes it shifted towards the Left and Democrats, and other times the Right and Republicans. Yes, they both did things to try to "one up" the other Party -- that's the political dynamic that's been present for centuries, after all.

But now? Things are different. Very different.

This isn't the usual "one up" attempts by one side of the political spectrum: one of the "players" has, frankly, gone utterly batshit insane to the point that if they were a real-life person, they'd be doped up and thrown in a psychiatric unit for evaluation. They've pretty much embraced a lot of the tactics and ideologies seen in certain countries from certain eras. They're not trying to rig the "game", they're trying to destroy it and the board so that it will be permanently in and irrecoverably set in their favour.

This is what a lot of Republicans, Right-leaning people, Conservatives, and just people with plain old common sense simply don't understand at the moment, and I fear by the time they wake up, it'll be far too late: This isn't just a typical round like in the past where saying "we'll rally and come back in a few years" is still true and valid, like they presume it is. They can't try to tip the scales like in the past because the Other Guy has gone fucking nuts and is trying to destroy the scales themselves.

That's why people are against DC and Puerto Rico becoming States, at least at this time: It's not because it'd simply be part of the typical "game"/scale-tipping if it were being pushed forward in any other time period in recent history, but because it's now being used as another weapon in the batshit insane player's arsenal to destroy the scales.

I honestly believe that at this point, America may need a coup to survive -- whether that means a 9mm in the back of Democrats' heads or just imprisonment until they forget what the sun looks like, I dunno. Otherwise, America is going to be fully transformed into something obscene, the shades of which we're seeing now in everything from the indoctrination seen in school systems (from kids to college students) to BLM and AntiFa.

But, then again, if the hypothetical coup that people on the Left irrationally fear did occur, what comes after may just be as bad -- either way, even if a coup occurs or doesn't occur, Western society as we've known it in the last few decades, the batshit insanity of these last ten years or so aside, won't return -- at least how we knew it.

You can blame the Left for collectively going bug nuts insane for that.

The future is going to be an interesting one.
 

Megadeath

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If we disagree, it's only because you are intentionally ignoring their actions.
If we disagree it's because you're intentionally twisting the interpretation of their actions.

See how unhelpful that is? The automatic assumption of bad faith makes discussion pointless.

Politics in America have always been a bit of a game (although that trivializes it: I guess more of a detente between players as they try to tip a pair of scales in their direction): sometimes it shifted towards the Left and Democrats, and other times the Right and Republicans. Yes, they both did things to try to "one up" the other Party -- that's the political dynamic that's been present for centuries, after all.

But now? Things are different. Very different.

This isn't the usual "one up" attempts by one side of the political spectrum: one of the "players" has, frankly, gone utterly batshit insane to the point that if they were a real-life person, they'd be doped up and thrown in a psychiatric unit for evaluation. They've pretty much embraced a lot of the tactics and ideologies seen in certain countries from certain eras. They're not trying to rig the "game", they're trying to destroy it and the board so that it will be permanently in and irrecoverably set in their favour.

This is what a lot of Republicans, Right-leaning people, Conservatives, and just people with plain old common sense simply don't understand at the moment, and I fear by the time they wake up, it'll be far too late: This isn't just a typical round like in the past where saying "we'll rally and come back in a few years" is still true and valid, like they presume it is. They can't try to tip the scales like in the past because the Other Guy has gone fucking nuts and is trying to destroy the scales themselves.

That's why people are against DC and Puerto Rico becoming States, at least at this time: It's not because it'd simply be part of the typical "game"/scale-tipping if it were being pushed forward in any other time period in recent history, but because it's now being used as another weapon in the batshit insane player's arsenal to destroy the scales.

I honestly believe that at this point, America may need a coup to survive -- whether that means a 9mm in the back of Democrats' heads or just imprisonment until they forget what the sun looks like, I dunno. Otherwise, America is going to be fully transformed into something obscene, the shades of which we're seeing now in everything from the indoctrination seen in school systems (from kids to college students) to BLM and AntiFa.

But, then again, if the hypothetical coup that people on the Left irrationally fear did occur, what comes after may just be as bad -- either way, even if a coup occurs or doesn't occur, Western society as we've known it in the last few decades, the batshit insanity of these last ten years or so aside, won't return -- at least how we knew it.

You can blame the Left for collectively going bug nuts insane for that.

The future is going to be an interesting one.
I blame extremists and idiots on either side. The kind who suggest the best or only solution is violence, for example. It's also incredibly hard for me to grasp how you can say on one hand you think a coup is best for America, and then in the very next paragraph describe peoples fear of a coup as irrational.
 

Captain X

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If we disagree it's because you're intentionally twisting the interpretation of their actions.
I don't need to twist anything - their actions speak for themselves. As does your attempts to gaslight about it.

See how unhelpful that is? The automatic assumption of bad faith makes discussion pointless.
These are not assumptions as I am basing everything off of observed behavior on their part and frankly now on your part.

I blame extremists and idiots on either side. The kind who suggest the best or only solution is violence, for example. It's also incredibly hard for me to grasp how you can say on one hand you think a coup is best for America, and then in the very next paragraph describe peoples fear of a coup as irrational.
Where have I said either?
 

Megadeath

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I don't need to twist anything - their actions speak for themselves. As does your attempts to gaslight about it.

These are not assumptions as I am basing everything off of observed behavior on their part and frankly now on your part.
So, why do you think that I would argue such a position? What do you think my motive is for knowingly supporting a position that's objectively wrong to the point of bordering on a caricature of evil? If we accept your interpretation, that the Democrats are insane criminals the support of huge numbers of people just doesn't make sense. If you instead accept the more reasonable position that they're looking at the same facts and actions as you and coming to a different conclusion then it does make sense.

Where have I said either?
Not everything is about you buddy. You should have seen that I was quoting someone else there, and taken the time to read what they said in the post I quoted.
 

Captain X

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Osaul
So, why do you think that I would argue such a position? What do you think my motive is for knowingly supporting a position that's objectively wrong to the point of bordering on a caricature of evil? If we accept your interpretation, that the Democrats are insane criminals the support of huge numbers of people just doesn't make sense. If you instead accept the more reasonable position that they're looking at the same facts and actions as you and coming to a different conclusion then it does make sense.
What makes sense is that a lot of them are either entirely for it, or are useful idiots who have been brainwashed into believing the bullshit propaganda, in spite of all the examples of where the mask has either fallen off or just been taken off.
 

Megadeath

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What makes sense is that a lot of them are either entirely for it, or are useful idiots who have been brainwashed into believing the bullshit propaganda, in spite of all the examples of where the mask has either fallen off or just been taken off.
So... You think I'm for communism, unequal application of the law, racial supremacism of a different ethic group, etc.? Or, perhaps I'm just gullible and brainwashed? In which case, open my eyes.

I'll also take your silence on the last part as an implicit apology, and I accept it. I know not everyone you share some political belief with perfectly represents your views, and so far I don't think you're stupid enough to call for shooting every registered democrat.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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are we sure this isn't the "Bring back feudalism" plan?

"Climate change" has become the new "Divine right."

They wouldn't want to bring back feudalism, because under that they'd actually owe their slaves reciprocal duties and have actual obligations. Nah, they want some form of slavocracy/oligarchy. Or a rapine plutocracy/kleptocracy... or this is just another step on the path to anarcho-tyranny. I think you have something on divine right, but as I have just said, they do not want feudalism.
 

Largo

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If we disagree, it's only because you are intentionally ignoring their actions.
You know, let's just start with the concept of first principles.

There are hundreds of thousands of people living in DC (and contrast to what some of you have been trying to argue, most of them are ordinary people like you or me and not some "Washington fat cat" stereotype) who do not have a voice in the House and the Senate. Is this a problem?

It's one thing to state that the Democratic solution of making DC into a state is a poor solution to the problem. But it really seems like a good chunk of you seem to think that there is no problem with the state of affairs, because the DC residents will vote the wrong way.
 

strunkenwhite

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Er...no? Two new states, one of which is blue and the other of which is deep, deep, deep blue would be huge, that's at least 2 or 3 more senators and most likely 4. With increasing polarization, the number of competitive senate seats keeps shrinking, adding 4 more seats to one side means not only more votes for the dems, but that the republicans have to flip even more seats to regain control.
Can you make the case for me why Puerto Rico would be reliably Democratic? As I said earlier, I have seen this asserted by some people on both sides but have not seen much reason given, other than perhaps a foolish assumption (that I do not ascribe to you) that Hispanics inevitably vote Democratic.
 

Megadeath

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And there are the Nazi comments. Yeesh.
Uh huh. In response to someone literally saying they think denying the vote to political opponents is a good thing. I also compared the position to communism. Do you know anyone else who wants to disenfranchise people for disagreeing with them?
 

Abhishekm

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Uh huh. In response to someone literally saying they think denying the vote to political opponents is a good thing. I also compared the position to communism. Do you know anyone else who wants to disenfranchise people for disagreeing with them?
Oy, I'm just tired of this Nazi fascist bullshit. Like Jesus you western hicks with delusions of generations old glory. The only places that still give that much of a shit about the second most famous dude with a pencil bar mustache are ones who had shitty school curriculums and teachers more interested in ranting than teaching. Get new insults or atleast be funnier about it you hack.

And just to add on to this you know dang well they have as many good points on it than you do. LITERALLY. EVERY POLITICAL CHARCTER has cause and had taken actions to oppose movements by their opponents to gain leverage. And in this case the move DOES go against a constitutional amendment using a political workaround. So stop batching about people not thinking you a Saint for calling them the Aushwitz guards for pointing that out.

And Ill report myself for that personal attack thank you very much.
 
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Megadeath

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Oy, I'm just tired of this Nazi fascist bullshit. Like Jesus you western hicks with delusions of generations old glory. The only places that still give that much of a shit about the second most famous dude with a pencil bar mustache are ones who had shitty school curriculums and teachers more interested in ranting than teaching. Get new insults or atleast be funnier about it you hack.

And just to add on to this you know dang well they have as many good points on it than you do. LITERALLY. EVERY POLITICAL CHARCTER has cause and had taken actions to oppose movements by their opponents to gain leverage. And in this case the move DOES go against a constitutional amendment using a political workaround. So stop batching about people not thinking you a Saint for calling them the Aushwitz guards for pointing that out.

And Ill report myself for that personal attack thank you very much.
That's incredibly mild as far as personal attacks go, and if you have reported it I'd hope mods would ignore it.

As for the rest, I'm not talking about opposing the move in general. I'm talking about this post in particular: http://www.the-sietch.com/index.php...icies-and-actions-megathread.4814/post-164452
where he litterally says he opposes giving people the vote because they'd vote the wrong way.
 

Abhishekm

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where he litterally says he opposes giving people the vote because they'd vote the wrong way.
And if thats your honest idea of what a fascist view on suppression fo the opposition looks like you a disturbed individual. Given that I can only assume you are intentionally just Gaslighting people because it is frankly obvious the person was just stating his opposition to allowing a rival party to get their way on a 'do you have a absolutely perfect alternative they won't yell against' as an excuse.
 

Battlegrinder

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Can you make the case for me why Puerto Rico would be reliably Democratic? As I said earlier, I have seen this asserted by some people on both sides but have not seen much reason given, other than perhaps a foolish assumption (that I do not ascribe to you) that Hispanics inevitably vote Democratic.

There's nothing definitive, no. Online research on the major parties is spectacularly unhelpful as every source I can find describes their positions on statehood and nothing else, and when I visited it was years ago and I didn't talk about politics with the locals, so I can't judge thier party affiliation based on that.

As for Hispanics voting democrats, and specifically Puerto Ricans.....I wouldn't say it's inevitable, but it's extremely, extremely likely. Puerto Ricans that move to the US are largely democrats (though that could just be the ones that move), and culturally PR is a lot more Central American than North American.

Also, the fact that both major parties believe they would is a valid reason to think that's the case, they have the resources to do more research and find out for sure, and have both concluded PR will be a democrat stronghold. The only people that don't think are the media people writing "hey, PR might not be a seep blue state", and that's probably just the media trying to trick republicans into going along with it. If PR wasn't a sure thing, there's no way the dems would be pushing it this hard.
 

Megadeath

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And if thats your honest idea of what a fascist view on suppression fo the opposition looks like you a disturbed individual. Given that I can only assume you are intentionally just Gaslighting people because it is frankly obvious the person was just stating his opposition to allowing a rival party to get their way on a 'do you have a absolutely perfect alternative they won't yell against' as an excuse.
I never said it made him a fascist. I said denying people the vote based on political preference was something I'm only aware of communist and fascist governments doing. And, no he's not stating his opposition to letting the opposition get there way. He was literally asked, do you think it's only a problem because they'd vote democrat, and he said yes.
 

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