Political quotes

"I am wiling you Should call this the Age of Frivolity as you do: and would not object if You had named it the Age of Folly, Vice, Frenzy Fury, Brutality, Daemons, Buonaparte, Tom Paine, or the Age of The burning Brand from the bottomless Pitt: or any thing but the age of Reason. I know not whether any Man in the World has had more influence on its inhabitants or affairs for the last thirty years than Tom Paine. There can be no Severer satyr in the Age. For Such a mongrel between Pigg and Puppy, begotten by a wild Boar on a Bitch Wolf; never before in any Age of the World was suffered by the Poltroonery of mankind, to run through Such a Career of Mischief. Call it then the Age of Paine. He deserves it much more, than the Courtezan who was consecrated to represent the Goddess in the Temple at Paris, and whose name, Tom has given to the Age. The real intellectual faculty has nothing to do with the Age the Strumpet or Tom."

- John Adams in a letter to a friend on his opinion of his political opponent Thomas Paine

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

Frank Zappa.

“The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.”-Aldous Huxley

"I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." - Paul Weyrich, Heritage Foundation Co-Founder

Spktr Alpha said:

"I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." - Paul Weyrich, Heritage Foundation Co-Founder

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That’s how actually fairly sensible wisdom. Most people do not deserve to vote.

Julius Evola.

Nothing is more evident than that modern capitalism is just as subversive as Marxism. The materialistic view of life on which both systems are based is identical; both of their ideals are qualitatively identical, including the premises connected to a world the centre of which is constituted of technology, science, production, "productivity," and "consumption." And as long as we only talk about economic classes, profit, salaries, and production, and as long as we believe that real human progress is determined by a particular system of distribution of wealth and goods, and that, generally speaking, human progress is measured by the degree of wealth or indigence—then we are not even close to what is essential...

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Julius Evola Men Amongst the Ruins

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Lord Invictus said:

hat’s how actually fairly sensible wisdom. Most people do not deserve to vote.

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Then the question becomes who deserves the right to vote?

Race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation shouldn't disqualify people from voting. Which is why there are efforts to educate and inform people to get out to vote. In the US it used to just be white men then it expanded to women and also non-whites.

I am pretty sure that Weyrich intended to want his flavor of christianity have a much larger, uneven say in politics and I disagree with that.

‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’
Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947

Spktr Alpha said:

Race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation shouldn't disqualify people from voting.

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On what grounds? Why should we have universal suffrage? What makes it more moral than a limited franchise? Or a monarchy for that matter?

“You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you”. Leon Trotsky.

Lord Invictus said:

On what grounds? Why should we have universal suffrage? What makes it more moral than a limited franchise? Or a monarchy for that matter?

“You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you”. Leon Trotsky.

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I want everyone to have their voice heard. That is my moral belief. If the US claims to be a free, democratic nation. Then the right to vote is a sacred part of that.

"I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
- MLK Jr.

Spktr Alpha said:

I want everyone to have their voice heard. That is my moral belief.

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Does everyone deserve to have their voice heard? And if so on what grounds of logic and ethics are their voices equal? Why is it your moral belief?

“Ultima Ratio Regum" The Last Argument of Kings. Louis XIV

Lord Invictus said:

Does everyone deserve to have their voice heard? And if so on what grounds of logic and ethics are their voices equal? Why is it your moral belief?

“Ultima Ratio Regum" The Last Argument of Kings. Louis XIV

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"We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal." - US Declaration of Independence.

I am asian born into a traditional asian community. Hierarchy was everything. Questioning anyone above you, not matter how legitimate the criticism meant being chastised. Growing up I've read up on Dalits and the Burakumin. Who are and should be citizens just as much as their fellow Indians/Japanese in their respective nations but have been discriminated against for being born into their class.

From what I've observed you believe in a hierarchy where one group is above the other based on moral reasons. I can understand that a regular US Citizen has more rights than a hardened bloodthirsty criminal on Death row. But I am coming from questioning why not being white, or rich, or christian should factor into whether he/she should have a say. If a non-WASP is a doctor can't vote, why is it that a unemployed WASP man can.

I believe in hierarchy because equality is ultimately false. It doesn’t reflect Man’s natural inequality. Why should a felon have the same rights as a virtuous citizen? Why should a woman be seen as equal to a man?

You might answer they share a common humanity. That’s not false, but that reduces man to the lowest possible common denominator. Shared humanity.

If we are all equal because we are human we must entertain absurdities that an infant can write philosophy, an old person can pretend to be young, and a servant may be a lord.

Equality destroys the human spirit and reduces Man in all his uniqueness and individual beauty and difference to the same grey mass.

“Mankind when left to themselves, are unfit for their own government.” George Washington.

"I am a democrat because I believe in the Fall of Man. I think most people are democrats for the opposite reason. A great deal of democratic enthusiasm descends from the ideas of people like Rousseau, who believed in democracy because they thought mankind so wise and good that everyone deserved a share in the government. The danger of defending democracy on those grounds is that they're not true. Whenever their weakness is exposed, the people who prefer tyranny make capital out of the exposure. I find that they're not true without looking further than myself. I don't deserve a share in governing a hen-roost, much less a nation. Nor do most people — all the people who believe advertisements, and think in catchwords and spread rumors. The real reason for democracy is just the reverse. Mankind is so fallen that no man can be trusted with unchecked power over his fellows. Aristotle said that some people were only fit to be slaves. I do not contradict him. But I reject slavery because I see no men fit to be masters. "
- C. S. Lewis

Lord Invictus said:

I believe in hierarchy because equality is ultimately false. It doesn’t reflect Man’s natural inequality. Why should a felon have the same rights as a virtuous citizen? Why should a woman be seen as equal to a man?

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Alan Turing was one of the fathers of Computers as we know it. He helped to break the encrypted messages that Axis used for communications. He was gay. He was charged for being gay by the UK government at the time and was forced to undergo chemical castration for that alone.

He is remembered and respected. The men who forced him to undergo that horrific shit ... aren't.

Everyone is different. Fair. There is nothing wrong with that. I already said violent criminals shouldn't have the same rights as everyone else. I am fine with someone being smarter than me, that doesn't mean that he has the right to kill me for my lower IQ. Neither should I do the same to someone below me.

Plato put it like this:

“If women are expected to do the same work as men, we must teach them the same things.” Plato, The Republic

We have a social contract to act civil towards one another. Which is why us both are talking rather than in the trenches fighting a civil war. If their is a hierarchy then it should be built on meritocracy alone, not arbitrary things like a person's plumbing. I will trust a woman who is a doctor rather than a man who isn't regarding my health.

It seems that we are at an impasse over equality vs. hierarchy and I think we should agree to disagree and leave it at that before we clog up this thread with out arguments even more.

We, in Hell, would welcome the disappearance of democracy in the strict sense of that word, the political arrangement so called. Like all forms of government, it often works to our advantage, but on the whole less often than other forms. What we must realize is that "democracy" in the diabolical sense ("I'm as good as you", Being like Folks, Togetherness) is the finest instrument we could possibly have for extirpating political democracies from the face of the earth.
- C.S. Lewis, "Screwtape Proposes A Toast"

Spktr Alpha said:

We have a social contract to act civil towards one another. Which is why us both are talking rather than in the trenches fighting a civil war. If their is a hierarchy then it should be built on meritocracy alone, not arbitrary things like a person's plumbing. I will trust a woman who is a doctor rather than a man who isn't regarding my health.

It seems that we are at an impasse over equality vs. hierarchy and I think we should agree to disagree and leave it at that before we clog up this thread with out arguments even more.

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The Left reject meritocracy. They speak that its a tyranny and a lie and white supremacy. Hell, Meritocracy was even said to be for the market place of ideas as in the best ideas will rise up and be accepted but thats not really true. Cause the market is rigged.

Final post for tonight.

LifeisTiresome said:

The Left reject meritocracy. They speak that its a tyranny and a lie and white supremacy. Hell, Meritocracy was even said to be for the market place of ideas as in the best ideas will rise up and be accepted but thats not really true. Cause the market is rigged.

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The market was rigged one way for a long time. You had to be white, christian, and male. Over the years things have changed. Now non-white, non-christian, and women and trans can have their voice heard.

Freedom of association is a right. If a baker has the right to not bake a cake for a gay couple then it is fair for a much larger company to post a black square on Twitter or to not work with Gab or the Daily Storm. Do I like companies have such a large effect? No. But that is another issue.

If you are talking about Cancel Culture then that same right still applies. You can boycott, they can boycott. You can't force someone to buy your stuff or work with you.

Spktr Alpha said:

Final post for tonight.

The market was rigged one way for a long time. You had to be white, christian, and male. Over the years things have changed. Now non-white, non-christian, and women and trans can have their voice heard.

Freedom of association is a right. If a baker has the right to not bake a cake for a gay couple then it is fair for a much larger company to post a black square on Twitter or to not work with Gab or the Daily Storm. Do I like companies have such a large effect? No. But that is another issue.

If you are talking about Cancel Culture then that same right still applies. You can boycott, they can boycott. You can't force someone to buy your stuff or work with you.

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Nothing you have said refutes me. Market place of ideas is full of shit you just admitted. The Left reject meritocracy completely. So basically you have nothing. Your position is of no substance cause nothing you support is true or even supported by your own side.

And the Left reject the Freedom of association argument seeing as they keep trying to force bakeries to cater to them but I don't hear them trying to do this with muslims which shows that even this point is not really about rights and more about power and pettiness.

There are other points I could bring up like how feminism says male groups are verboten but when their own groups are threatened you see them angry or when it comes to trans, become TERFs

Spktr Alpha said:

"I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." - Paul Weyrich, Heritage Foundation Co-Founder

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"These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again."

- President Lyndon Baines Johnson, Democratic President and Civil Rights Icon.

There is an international disease which feeds on the notion that if you have a cause to defend, you can use any means to further your cause, since the end justifies the means. As an international community, we must oppose this notion, whether it be in Canada, in the United States, or anywhere else. No cause justifies violence as long as the system provides for change by peaceful means.

- President Richard M. Nixon, Republican President and Pardoned Criminal

Spktr Alpha said:

Final post for tonight.

The market was rigged one way for a long time. You had to be white, christian, and male.

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Where?